Oil level rising

Discussion in '5th Generation 1998-2001' started by oldmate64, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. oldmate64

    oldmate64 New Member

    Country:
    Australia
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    brisbane
    I think if it was a valve the wet test would've stayed at 10 psi. I'll test again tomorrow . Maybe oil ring is ok and compression rind is toast

    Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #21
  2. RDMCD

    RDMCD New Member

    Country:
    Canada
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    London Ontaorio
    Map
    How's your fuel mileage? Dos the exhaust smell rich? Could a bad injector flood that cylinder and cause premature wear? I still think that plug would look different though.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #22
  3. Allyance

    Allyance Member

    Country:
    Germany
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,527
    Likes Received:
    398
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    East Bay, California
    Map
    Carbon build up in the channel for the ring on the piston can cause them to stick.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #23
  4. oldmate64

    oldmate64 New Member

    Country:
    Australia
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    brisbane
    That's what I'm hoping

    Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #24
  5. Big_Jim59

    Big_Jim59 Member

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,960
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    Map
    I am going to throw this out there. 10psi is nothing. Even with a stuck ring(s) you should get triple that. It just seems to me that you have a bigger hole than a stuck ring problem. The last stuck ring I saw was on a 1959 MGA and the engine had been exposed to the elements. It just doesn't seem like a ring problem. I have you checked valve clearance?

    I would consider a head gasket leak into the cooling system but at 10psi it would be popping hoses off.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #25
  6. Allyance

    Allyance Member

    Country:
    Germany
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,527
    Likes Received:
    398
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    East Bay, California
    Map
    Sounds more logical, carbon on valve stem or on seat. But doesn't explain oil level rising.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #26
  7. Y2Kviffer

    Y2Kviffer Insider

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,205
    Likes Received:
    31
    Trophy Points:
    78
    Location:
    RALEIGH, NC
    Map
    Have you run it since the injectors were cleaned? Those plugs look fouled, i would install standard NGK's back in it and see what she does.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #27
  8. oldmate64

    oldmate64 New Member

    Country:
    Australia
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    brisbane
    No it hasn't been started since the injectors were cleaned. I did another compression test today and it was at 125 psi would still have some oil in there though. I'm going to put the airbox and tank back on and start it and see what happens

    Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #28
  9. Diving Pete

    Diving Pete Member

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    1,970
    Likes Received:
    548
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Location:
    London
    Map
    I'd be really tempted to take it for a thrashing...

    It will either fix it or not... at that point you are into rebuild time anyway
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #29
  10. Allyance

    Allyance Member

    Country:
    Germany
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,527
    Likes Received:
    398
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    East Bay, California
    Map
    Dump a bunch of SeaFoam in the tank and go for it, who knows.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #30
  11. SweViffer

    SweViffer New Member

    Country:
    Sweden
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2016
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Any update on this? I'm curious because my bike has similar problems.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #31
  12. oldmate64

    oldmate64 New Member

    Country:
    Australia
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    brisbane
    Sorry been busy, cleaned injectors back in , last compression test on #2 cylinder read 110psi , bike started on 3 cylinders, #2 cylinder not firing. Spark to all 4 plugs. When i pulled plugs today after trying to start it 3 smelled of fuel but #2 was dry. Me thinks might have been an intermittent problem with power to injector/faulty injector. Bought myself a hayabusa (awesome !) But can't let the vfr go without a fight. Any ideas welcome. Can I pull the injector harness plug and put a test light on #2 injector and turn it over to see if there's power to it rather than pull throttle bodies back off ?

    Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #32
  13. RVFR

    RVFR Member

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2006
    Messages:
    8,013
    Likes Received:
    266
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    Olympia Wa.
    Map
    After a re read I was going to suggest this, spray some Sea foam in the cylinder of #2 then put some in the tank, I've seen it work it's magic, great stuff. it works "IF"
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #33
  14. squirrelman

    squirrelman Member

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2006
    Messages:
    10,185
    Likes Received:
    877
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    Buffalo, NY
    Map
    In rare cases, on hemi heads removing the sparkplug can loosen a bit of carbon that could fall upon an open valve and seat and leak compression, which should be apparent after listening to four compression strokes through carbs and exhaust.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #34
  15. RllwJoe

    RllwJoe Insider

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2017
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    350
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    Western Lower Peninsula, Michigan
    Map
    110psi is enough to fire.
    Plus one re SeaFoam, it will break down carbon buildup.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #35
  16. SweViffer

    SweViffer New Member

    Country:
    Sweden
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2016
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Just thought that I should add my findings regarding my own bike. I think I finally solved my trouble, which is eerily similar to the OP's original problem. I took the long route to my (hopefully) happy ending, in that I changed air filter, pulled the injectors and had them cleaned (didn't find any fault, but did lighten my wallet), changed all vacuum hoses, changed the FPR, changed the spark plugs, did a compression test (had to buy the equipment), synced the starter valves, cleaned all electrical connections that I could find, all without finding a definite fault or making anything noticeable better.

    What finally did it though, was the total removal of the PAIR system. It had been previously modded by a PO by disconnecting the electrical connection to the solenoid valve, but the valve was constantly open (either by design or my valve is broken). I had tried to remedy this by plugging the air feeder hose with a marble, but this must have leaked as well. My curiosity may have saved me, for I decided I needed to see how the reed valves of the PAIR actually worked, and when dismantling the back valves I found them really sooty and unable to close. This probable made my engine run on partial recirculated exhaust gases, which the ECU can't detect (it just finds the air intake temperature really high I guess) and injects petrol for totally fresh air. This in turn makes the exhaust gases contain petrol, which makes the recirculated gas also contain petrol and it's a double whammy and the result in the end is really rich running.

    I'm still not totally convinced my troubles are over, but the short trips I've made since removing everything have been positive. The surging at constant speed are gone. The exhaust smells more exhausty and less of fuel (not 100% yet, but there's probably a burnt out cat in there totally soaked in old petrol).

    Moral of the story is that if you're trying to modify anything, make sure you do it correctly and don't rely on previous owner to know jack sh.. about anything. And also that stuff breaks, often randomly. And also, get a bigger bank account if possible before getting into old bikes. And a patient life partner. And independent kids... In short - get a better life before trying to get a better bike. If not possible, take a loan and buy new. Bike that is, not life partner.
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #36
    VFR4Lee likes this.
  17. Terry Smith

    Terry Smith Member

    Country:
    Kuwait
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    2,864
    Likes Received:
    713
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    Map
    Thanks for a really informative post!
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #37
  18. oldmate64

    oldmate64 New Member

    Country:
    Australia
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    brisbane
    Just an update for anyone wondering what the outcome of this was, I found the positive wire to #2 injector plug was loose so I soldered both and once all back together it's running as good as new on all 4 cylinders and I've been riding to work daily app 90klm a day for 2 weeks and oil level is spot on. So somehow having injectors cleaned, dropping 30ml of engine oil down the cylinder to do wet compression test and soldering injector plug wires the problem seems to be solved. I also flushed fuel filter while tank was off . Thanks all for your input and help guys

    Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #38
    RDMCD likes this.
  19. RllwJoe

    RllwJoe Insider

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2017
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    350
    Trophy Points:
    128
    Location:
    Western Lower Peninsula, Michigan
    Map
    That's great news! Who would have thought that a VFR would have a loose wire?
     


    This site may contain affiliate links for which VFRworld may be compensated
    #39
    Sport Touring and A.M like this.
Related Topics

Share This Page