Help fund the VFR header

I'd like to think those in the know believe their VFR is worth more than 500 peso's, making it worth the up grade. But then I haven't checked what Trump and company has done to the Mexican USD exchange rate.

 

Those "in the know" would need to know just how many pesos it's going to take to buy one of these untested custom setups.

Several sites will render minute by minute differentials on currency from multitudes of places. Specifically, the Peso in Washington, Oregon, Colorado and soon Texas and California may be a different story since Trump's weasel Jeff Sessions is preaching the gospel about the evils of what may be what is generating millions of dollars in revenues whilst Trump & Co. is fucking everyone in sight. Another example of differential association.

Since you post on everything save somebody taking a trump (err dump) tagged with the solicitation for funds, you could take some time to look at arbitrage.

Be sure in future to advise us dudes who don't know doodly about our bikes how many pesos we will have to spend to be in the know.

 

Here is Mohawk's dyno showing the before and after, going from the king ebay header (motad) to a two brothers header. Now you are in the know.

 

I suppose this is what I'm talking about; the before-and-after dyno runs show only slight differences, and they will feel that way, from 2.5% at 8K RPM to 6% at 11 K RPM. Those are very costly, little, ponies. $5-600 for the FI tuning system you sell, $1K for exhaust, add labor, and dynotuning $350. Say $2K+.

$2K plus your VFR = $5-7K, or 80=100% of a VFR1200F, which would crush the modded 800 like Tupperware in the Mariana Trench. If speed is the purpose.

 

What exactly is your purpose in this realm?

 

Well, it's not to post "helpful" answers biased toward selling my expensive FI doo-dads.

These sorts of posts, non-engineers talking about flapper valve mods, snorkel mods, fancy FI tuning gee-gaws, removing PAIR valves, and how much their 100% inaccurate butt-dynos validate these mods, create an atmosphere similar to that which existed among the crowd before the naked emperor. If you've done these mods, usually inherent bias against appearing foolish for having done it will validate them: "Far better low-end response, far more top-end," etc., all impossible, and all unproved by back-to-back dyno runs. There's no "far more" on these engines. Compression ratios, small valves, throttlebody sizes, and cam profiles, all disallow it.

If I can help someone decide to leave well enough alone without spending their hard-earned funds on pointless mods and not ruin what Honda's brilliant engineers designed to run under a wide variety of conditions, then that's it. Well, plus my 250K+ miles on two wheels, *many* thousands of dollars spent on mostly pointless mods when young, three VFRs, and having ridden VFs/VFRs since you wore short pants.

 

Will do as soon as I know.
Most VFR owners know the know to what they consider their value is in their VFR. The question whether or not is it worth it to them to spend x? Hard to say. Not my call to make. Look at what Mohawk and Highside have done and tell me they're not in the know.

 

This is actually hilarious, because I do not sell Rapid Bike parts or even work for them, I am an Engineer that just likes to tinker with things. I put together the group buy for Rapid Bike 3 years ago, because I wanted a better alternative than Power Commander to be available for tuning our bikes, but I can see why you would assume that I work for Dimsport lol...

With every post that you make, like the one about small valves or needing to dyno tune a Rapid Bike module, I can see more and more, how truly full of BS you actually are. Please do go on lol.

 

I am in the know enough to see a trend toward diminishing returns and possible repercussions from extant copyright and patent holders.

I am calling big time bullshit on bike valuation as just a two-bit excuse for not being able to come up with anything better than one of those shootout charts that that are passed out at sportbike events from sea to shining sea.. Ten bucks a pop and run up the revs until the limiter kicks in.

Are aftermarket speed goodies the real thing? Sure, nothing new. Put enough pesos into a Harley engine and the result will be a fast bike.. What we have here so far is maybe one rig being made for one guys bike and somebody's hand is out to get others to pay for something that may well be not quite legal.

Engineer or not you are not the only dude who has built a fast bike. As a matter of fact your strip times are, comparatively speaking kind of punk if compared to some of the bikes bone stock off the showroom floor.

 

Are you name dropping or tossing out red herrings? What ya might do is let us know when the aforementioned dudes spring for a set of your pipes. As to consideration of value in any given motorcycle, subjectivity plays a significant part. As an example, If some dude on Ebay or Craigslist has a collection of toupees made of cat hair worn by some dead movie star for sale for 5K pesos, no me intereso even if the price drops to 4K.

If you ever get around to fabricating some pipes for my bike and the stockers rust out, then I would like to be in the know. Please include a 50% discount, a new muffler and some gaskets.

 

Somebody else doesn't think it passes the sniff test......

 

I am sure your motad header was so much better Ronald lol.

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I could never figure out the need for engineers to let people know that they were an engineer..like that somehow carries weight, it doesn't. I've worked with enough chump engineers to realize that real world experience is the great equalizer. Troll on my Rapidbike shilling friend.

 

It's an engineer thing I guess. That and "Pipeline Tightness Testing Technician" probably doesn't roll off of the tongue as easily lol. Excellent side track though Ronald

 

You're researching me?, so much win. You can't find anything current can ya? I'm not allowed to use social media to discuss what I do now.

I was exactly where you are 10 years ago. You have never even opened up your engine and experimented with camshafts and cam timing, crankshafts, piston crown design and flow modeling of head work, internal coatings, none of it. Still messing around with add on modules and lambda sensors, exhaust pipes, air filters, butt dynos, and other garbage. I think it's time you put that education to some use and actually replace and program the ECU, if you're gonna focus on being an engineer. Learn Matlab and start programming data acquisition systems and maybe learn something. Then, in a few years, you might catch up, but then it will be that much further in the future and you're just wasting your time doing research on me.

 

That's a lot of fancy talk for someone with an eBay header lol

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Bingo! Well said. However, beating dead horse, etc., and all that.

 

Norcal talks a big game, because supposedly he had paid a fancy shop to build his engine, but he never released any useful information. There were no specs on cam timing/duration/lift/separation angle, no compression ratio estimates, no port work details. He loves saying butt dyno this and that, but he never posted a dyno or quoted any numbers. You can ask him right now for any specs on that build "he" did and you will get nothing.

The fact is, his build fell short and was a huge waste of money. Nothing more than a bunch of fancy pictures, with zero information behind them. Mohawk at 120whp and highsidenz at 140whp both far surpassed anything norcalboy could have ever eluded to making. Mainly because they fit a proper exhaust (not an eBay header) first and then tuned with fuel and ignition mapping corrections (not a simple pc3), before upgrading the cams and finally pistons.

He claims all this super technological tuning ability, but in the end, all oh his "tuning" was done on a simple power commander, fuel only tuning... No ignition mapping changes were made and it was all done on an "add on module"...

He doesn't even have a VFR any more. The only reason he is here is to make passive aggressive comments aimed at anyone trying to advance the performance of these bikes.

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My apologies to RVFR for fucking up his thread. I'm hoping that I haven't caused too many problems and I will now return the control to you and the original subject. Again, my apologies.

 

Agree; sorry for thread derail. A locally made SS replacement exhaust is a fine thing.