5th Gen Best Mod$: "Actually Readily Obtainable and Available"

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  1. Cat2Rider

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    Thanks again for your "opinion" but I don't think you're going to find anyone that agrees.
     


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    Black widow has the best product in the world?
    If brains were dynamite this guy could not blow his own nose.
     


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    I've posted three videos on you tube (just search Cat2Rider) it's obvious my VFR is running at or near full power with (all restrictions removed) that's a fact.

    Next, Thurn MS is preparing my derby window plus a rewound (high output) stator with matching new rectifier. I am expecting that within the next few weeks or sooner. At that point the oil gets drained, engine cases get removed and I replace the stator, rectifer, rebuild the clutch and install new Barnett clutch plates and springs.

    Forum Question: Should I get carbon fiber or Kevlar clutch plates?
     


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    "Next up on unnecessary ways to waste money on worthless modifications for a fifth gen, we will be upgrading the clutch on a 90whp vfr800"

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    I've posted three videos on you tube (just search Cat2Rider) it's obvious my VFR is running at or near full power with (all restrictions removed) that's a fact.

    Cat2Rider 5th Gen Tuning Hypothesis: By removing any and all restrictions and remaining inside the boundaries of the original design basis, it's possible to release up to a 20% increase in power, without reducing engine life or "Street-Ability" of the 5th Gen VFR. The Honda engine designers had a 20% margin of reserve for emission restrictions and engine longetivity.

    The tuning question to be determined is answered " by degree" or "to what degree?" The reason to what degree is to assure requirements are met with the VFR design criteria and not being "over-compensated" with unecessary methods, products or technology for a street driven VFR.

    Airbox Mod ($30)
    Tuning Question #1
    Will the removal of the flapper (and replacing flapper with a ) second snorkel balance both the necessary "volume, velocity and stream" of air intake into the airbox and distributed the vector of airflow across the air filter (K&N or Pipercross*) to allow the engine to perform without any air intake restriction across the entire rpm range? Yes or No
    Answer Yes
    Reason:The original design of the air box configuration and shape of the snorkel is perfectly sized based on the requirements of each cylinder.

    Next, Thurn MS is preparing my derby window plus a rewound (high output) stator with matching new rectifier. I am expecting that within the next few weeks or sooner. At that point the oil gets drained, engine cases get removed and I replace the stator, rectifer, rebuild the clutch and install new Barnett clutch plates and springs.

    Forum Question: Should I get carbon fiber or Kevlar clutch plates?��[/QUOTE]
     


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    Funny, I never saw any clutch slip in any of your videos. Also your vfr seemed pretty low on power. I would estimate 90whp.

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    If true, can a 90 whp VFR reach an indicated 160 mph ?

    Yes or No ?
     


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    Why not do your usual bodge and go carbon kevlar?
     


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    I've posted three videos on you tube (just search Cat2Rider) it's obvious my VFR is running at or near full power with (all restrictions removed) that's a fact.

    Cat2Rider 5th Gen Tuning Hypothesis: By removing any and all restrictions and remaining inside the boundaries of the original design basis, it's possible to release up to a 20% increase in power, without reducing engine life or "Street-Ability" of the 5th Gen VFR. The Honda engine designers had a 20% margin of reserve for emission restrictions and engine longetivity.

    The tuning question to be determined is answered " by degree" or "to what degree?" The reason to what degree is to assure requirements are met with the VFR design criteria and not being "over-compensated" with unecessary methods, products or technology for a street driven VFR.

    Airbox Mod ($30)
    Tuning Question #1
    Will the removal of the flapper (and replacing flapper with a ) second snorkel balance both the necessary "volume, velocity and stream" of air intake into the airbox and distributed the vector of airflow across the air filter (K&N or Pipercross*) to allow the engine to perform without any air intake restriction across the entire rpm range? Yes or No
    Answer Yes
    Reason:The original design of the air box configuration and shape of the snorkel is perfectly sized based on the requirements of each cylinder.

    Next, Thurn MS is preparing my derby window plus a rewound (high output) stator with matching new rectifier. I am expecting that within the next few weeks or sooner. At that point the oil gets drained, engine cases get removed and I replace the stator, rectifer, rebuild the clutch and install new Barnett clutch plates and springs.

    Forum Question: Should I get carbon fiber or Kevlar clutch plates?��

    I'm thinking going Kevlar it's more a more durable material
     


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    Yeah sure, with enough speedometer error.

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    I would dare to say that a 90 whp 5th Gen VFR
    top speed would be an indicated 140 mph at 9000 rpm in 6th gear.

    If this is true, and a 120 whp 5th VFR can reach a top speed of an indicated 160 mph at 11,000 rpm.

    Then the 30 whp difference equates to the ability to produce enough additional whp to 3000 more RPM in 6th gear

    Which means for every whp over 90 whp equates to an additional mph in 6th gear.
     


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    Lol wow you must have performed some really scientific calculations, to come up with such bold statements....

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    Scientifically proven.....

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    Remember how he kept demanding us to post a video? I just posted a video of a run at the track, in high definition, of my bike when I was relatively stock. Gauges are crystal clear and pulling like a freight train to an indicated 146.

    Even when my bike was fairly stock, with an off the shelf, mild RB Tune and motad header, I would put bus lengths on him lol. Now he hasn't said a word about my video lol.

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    At this point,I'd say mine is pulling a bit better and will run out another 10 mph so based upon the known variable analysis equation at 146 mph you were at 108 whp and that puts me at 157 mph at 118 whp
     


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    At this point,I'd say mine is pulling a bit better and will run out another 10 mph so based upon the known variable analysis equation at 146 mph you were at 108 whp and that puts me at 157 mph at 118 whp plus the fact that gear driven cams can handled more stress without losing valve adjustments significantly longer than belt (or chain) driven cams so I can gloat over the facts that much longer with less (shop dependent) down time .That's why the 5th Gen will both outlast and roll the face of tbe earth longer
     


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    Some may ask, why doesn't Norcalboy spring to the fore and pour oil (Mystery Marvel) on the waters? Could it be Cat2Rider is an alter ego trip?

    Naaa, probably not, just another sales pitch for speed goodies gone South.
     


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