5th Gen Best Mod$: "Actually Readily Obtainable and Available"

You have never tried a motad header. You didn't even know what motad was until a few days ago.

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I found those Motads been on eBay for a long time and there are VFR Motad bad fit up horror stories in the forums no thanx

 

Exactly the same as black widow.

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Boy this is fun--- you guys are going around in circles--- don't waste your time here anymore
Hopefully it will just die and go away


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How bout them Dodgers--- DOH
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Silly boy.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzvHfr5IwIQ

 

The Black Widow will out perform OEM and are not over-priced and will last a lifetime

 

There are several reasons why the Motad are not the best choice:
1) Motad Downpipes are likely not to fit-up properly because they were welded up in China and will have to be returned. Imagine how many hours you'll be spending wrenching on your bike ? It's going to be a nightmare !
2) When you return the headers (you bought through an eBay middle-man reseller) it will be very frustrating. If you try and force them to fit you'll stress out the exhaust port threaded studs or put excessive stress on the rigid welded connections.
3) Motad headers are painted and do not have a polished finish. So that paint is going to eventually breakdown in the areas where the pipes get very hot and not look very good.

Black Widow are a much better choice because they fit-up perfectly and you deal directly with the UK manufacturer. The kit also comes complete with the necessary crush gaskets. My BW headers arrived within a week and were installed in a few hours of delivery, they are without a doubt the best looking, sounding and performing headers currently being manufactured. They will install the first time, never leak because they have all welded slip joint connections. You will not have to do anything plus they perform excellent with an aftermarket airfilter and a Power Commander 3 , this is a particularly good choice because BW are 2 into 2 into 1 headers that gives maximum mid-range so I am able to remove the my Staintune restrictor plug and have both excellent mid-range and top end power. I highly recommend Black Widow headers,you will not be disappointed but because the Black Widow headers have maximum radius bends (exiting the collector) the center stand cannot be re-installed and I highly suggest having a 20mm single sided swing arm rear wheel stand if you plan on changing out your headers.

Note: The reason I did not buy Delkevic is because they have too many clamped connections, especially at the collector, that will eventually leak��

 

How have you determined that they are eventually going to leak? Are you clairvoyant, or are you basing this upon conjecture and opinion? The Delkevic header bolts to the bike at the connector and at each exhaust port, obviously. If it is properly installed, where is the freeplay supposed to come from that would cause the slip on connections to leak? You better have your slip on welded on also, because by your logic, it too will eventually leak.

 

Can you please provide the dyno to prove this? Can you prove anything you say, at all, ever?

 

It's pretty easy to understand the attributing factors are the quantitativevfrequency co-efficiency of expansion and contraction cycles will ultimately determine the onset of the seal to slowly fail. It will be evident as the seal oxidizes from the high temperature and if the threads on the mechanical clamp nuts and bolts are not corroded from the exposure they are subjected to at the very bottom of the bike, and you check, you'll be tightening the clamps for a while but do to the constant multi-directional forces at the 4 into 1 connector, it will eventually begin to leak depending upon the level of use and what type of environmental conditions and over periods of time it is subject to, whereas a fusion of a welded joint would last a lifetime. But it's really up to you and your understanding and application of "best practices" of connecting metal tubing��

 

I plan and have Dyno testing in Mid January or February, it's going to happen later in the game, it's just a report and we know a free flowing exhaust will test at 102 whp, meanwhile I'm still spending money improving the VFR I predict my VFR will ultimately test at 110 whp or better but not more than 115 whp but wil have very good mid-range plus be very durable, especially the Full Stainless Exhaust, so to summarize this issue you need to decide the purpose of the exhaust and the type of owner you are, I am not a racer who spends into deep debt to go faster, I am a tuner and a rider who wants the best overall return which is why I selected Black Widow

 

IME; time, effort, Dyno, $$ spent on the machine's performance gain likely better invested just getting better as a rider and be able to ride any machine at higher capacity in stock form.

 

I totally agree the whole DynoTech thing is overrated and just a trap to get people caught up in the prospects of increased performance and I have zero faith in the entire process and think it's basically a total waste of money geared towards a certain type of person who thinks the DynoJet is the answer when I fact it's nothing more than spending $100-'a to the average rider walking in off the street. So I have made it a very low priority, means very little, it's nothing more than "monkey tuning" with the theory anybody can be an expert tuner by taking a DynoTech class which is really just a way for DynoTrch to make money and they are mostly tuning the whole Harley crowd and that's a while other dialog

 

HOLY BACKPEDAL BATMAN!!!

Now begins operation weasel out of dyno day lol.

Anyways if you think any monkey can tune, why don't you just do a few pulls on a dyno for $20-50, at the local bike night/dyno day/mobile dyno/shop etc to validate all the bs (german ECU vs US ECU and 2 snorkels vs no snorkels etc....) that you have been spewing on the internet. Then go with an autotune module to do any correcting if necessary....

 

It's possible but unlikely most shops just want your money and I'm still not done and when my bike runs 0-155 mph like I want it to, guess what, it's tuned

 

Are you kidding me, Really? The shop I went to is renown for it's give a shiet factor, besides, being one in particular gentleman is was the # 1 tuner for HRC back in the day. I know for a fact not only does he know his stuff but cares and has pride. That right there while I watched him do his magic showed me the reason how it all came together. Proof was in the results, IMO $350 well spent, then not to mention the conversations we had are priceless. I get it some more than likely want your money, but I'm a believer in most do what they do in this biz because they like it. now whether they are good at it remains to be seen. I have a saying. "you're only as good as the people you surround yourself with" . On another point, yea the BW and company headers maybe a bit better than the 00- and up header, But not the 98-00. NEXT!

 

I honestly don't think this is a build. I think this is just a bored guy, trying to trigger as many people on as many forums as possible lol. This thread will eventually get locked, he will make up a new name and try again.

It was pretty obvious with the "belt head VTEC owners" remark lol. I am one of not really that many VTEC owners commenting, but there are plenty of fifth gen owners that also think this guy is full of it lol.