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Discussion in '1st & 2nd Generation 1983-1989' started by Jimbob, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. Jimbob

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    Hi all, i have a 1985 VF700 Interceptor and im trying to repair fairings. I have all the paint codes but trying to find the best place to pick up paint. Im in the UK
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    The members from UK may be able to specifically answer that one. In general, try asking at a full service paint dealer that specializes in paint and paint related items. This rather than one of the big box stores. (Farrow&Ball for instance)

    Another source might be the UK corporate site for Sherwin-Williams.

    For a bike of that vintage, even if you can find colors corresponding to the codes, matching the new with the old or vice versa is not going to be easy..

    Best IMO, to think a complete paint job and a couple of well thought out quips for the wankers who are members of the "Brotherhood of Stockers Forever" who walk about with magnifying glasses at bike nights. ;)
     


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    Good God y'all, I'm about to agree with Billy. There is a great amount of difficultly in matching old paint and new. Just do it right and paint the whole bike. It will come out so much nicer.
    Jeff's suggestion is a great source. Phone around to some auto body repair shops. They can tell you who to use.
     


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    Colorite matches new paint well. The OP's bike is an 85. Even if Colorite is available in UK, it won't match. Whether or not Colorite can even be shipped to UK is one question. Another is the cost for shipping and UK's VAT tax.


    Ya'll better agree or I'll lay down on the deck, kick and scream and hold my breath until I turn blue until I get my fifteen minutes of fame.
     


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    ^ Andy Warhol lives on, everyone is famous for fifteen minutes, some more, some less. I used colour-rite on my granite blue "mach-1" it was a good match as I used the stock 25 year old tank/tale section as they were in good nick. The upper/mid/lowers were done by a professional painter (paint booth, etc.) The finished product still looks great to this day, a few rock chips but hey thats just a testament to the fact the bike gets ridden. Actually this particular bike now gets a yearly oil change as I dont pile on the miles on "it" anymore. Cheers. ; )
     


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    "Match" can be used as a transitive verb or an intransitive verb. Ie Match implying exactness or close match implying close, but no doobie. Colorite paints "match" the original paint.

    Gotta say if it was my bike, I'd paint the whole bike for an exact match and some savings on material costs using any one of many suppliers.

    Yep, seen the dudes especially some in the BMW crowd walk around with a pair of calipers measuring the width of a stripe on a beautifully restored 1930's Beemer. I think they then go home and wax the carrot..

    Today I'm skipping my WalMart run.. Pissing down rain and all sorts of slick leaves on the roads. I am driving to the Post Office to rent a large PO box. I am starting a fund for poor Kim and Kanye who will not get full replacement value for their jewels. To keep it all honest and above board, I will handle the money.
     


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    Try rs bike paints.
    Where are you in the uk?
     


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    "Ie Match implying exactness or close match implying close, but no doobie. Colorite paints "match" the original paint." by BB

    In the garage it looks perfect, if you see "it" out in the direct sun-light, the respray has more of a purple hue than the original gas tank/tail sections blue. Not complaining and I am perfectly happy with the job (it is over 10 years old.) If I was gona do it over I would still go the way I went. On my latest "Mach-1" painted in 93 pearl, I have a couple of dents in my gas tank, and therefore will pop for an entire respray, its down the road mind you because I commute on the bike and dont have the time to take it apart and drive the parts to the painters. I like some of the Lexus pearl paints I have seen around btw :peace:

    F Kim -
     


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    Commuting here year round is not in my future. The overall weather is probably defined by the experts as mild compared to other places. The changes are quick and can jump up and bite ya on the ass.


    My bikes all have pretty standard hotrod colors on them. Orange and black, yellow and black, red and yellow. My stuff and customers are two different animals.

    Did the bike commute thing more times than I want to count when growing up in SoCal. Had to..no car or "car in work"..
     


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    +1 on RS Bike Paint for rattle cans and touch up pens.

    Just be prepared for a heart attack when you see the price. Note aftermarket paints will be manufactured to "as new" Honda specs, which will provide a good match for a bike which left the factory in the last year or so, but be warned the paintwork on your 1985 bike will have matured, especially if it has been parked outside for extended periods.

    If you find the cost of a full respray is prohibitive, the best option might be to remove and repair the affected panels and then get one of the many mobile vehicle repair outfits to respray it. (Just make sure they use a digital colour sensor system and computer controlled paint matching equipment). In daylight the result will be a very close match to the rest of the bike. However the repainted panels may still look different at night especially if the bike is parked under sodium(yellow) street lights. If this is a concern then a full respray is probably the only solution.


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    Mobile spray outfits do not meet EPA regulations. The paints and coatings used today are highly toxic.

    http://www.haztek.com.au/2013/03/22...hs-that-can-take-your-breath-away-isocyantes/

    Any lightsource affects the perception of color. Our brains and eyes compensate to a degree. What is presented on a screen is modified usually by white balance as most pix presented are JPEGS captured in auto mode.

    There is no real standardization of paint formulation on a world wide basis. Almost every country has its own way of coding and formulary.

    Given that repairing ABS body parts is many times difficult and time consuming and individual section can be hard to find and expensive, when trying to match the rest of the sections on the bike (or car) using the Colorite system may prove to be more pesos than repainting the entire set of panels using paints that are of equal or superior quality and much less expensive. Added to this is that the Colorite "matches" are for "factory" colors and as SkiMad indicates made to match paint that has not seen weathering.

    The argument that a custom paintjob or a change of color diminishes the value of a bike or car is unfounded except in the minds of the anti-stockers suck division of the third anonymous brigade. ;)

    Rock chips can be touched up using nail polish. Same deal with small scratches. Nail polish is mostly acrylic lacquer. The brushes included in the half oz bottles are junk..Nail polish as paint follows the same rules as paint. Use crappy tools and ya get a crappy job.
     


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    Thank you for all of your replies, very helpful!
    I was planning on painting all of the bike and fairings. The red's have all faded, the rear fairing is cracked and needs a major repair - the tank is spotless, no dinks or rust. Just scared about not being able to find the correct graphics. Colorrite sell the white and red paints but not the blue, i have found somewhere else that sells the blue but all these companies are US based - not to say i cant get the correct colour "matched" from a paint shop.
    I've only had her a week - she rolled into my garage looking like this...

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    1 week later she looks like this

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    Just getting quotes for Powder coating the frame.
     


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    Looks as if you have skills. The fix for the broken fairing will come easy IMO.

    For the guys with skills I recommend buying a current paperback book on automotive body and painting or (if you have same in UK) a book from a library with a recent publication date.

    I think for a 100% accurate paintjob to factory spec may be a very large hurdle or so expensive as to be impractical. Many factory paintjobs are applied with robots and are systemized in sometimes as many as four steps not including clearcoating. Each step is critical to the next.

    Below is an example indicating the difference in applying one hue over another. In most of the samples the "lighter" color is over white; the "darker" over black. Then there are a million tricks like using grey under most reds, white as a base for yellow and deeper hues for lighter finish paints. Metallics and pearls are another story..

    Automotive paint suppliers have books with paint chips for hundreds of vehicles. Do not expect to see same in regular paint stores.

    http://www.danielsmith.com/docs_pdf/Ref2012_OILChart.pdf
     


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