What kind of gas do you use?

I'm close to that hieght, but not quite (4300 plus, but ride 5400 plus within 15 minutes).

 

I bet my bike would scream if it was at a lower altitude. I drove my truck to the sea once when gas was a dollar a gallon and it was so much more powerful. Now I almost what to add a super charger just to make the air thicker.

 

It all depends on how deep you want to get into it. The corn they grow to distill into ethanol... it's all fertilized with petroleum-dirived fertilizers.

Ethanol is a joke. The only reason it's pushed so aggressively is because farmers and agrocorps out in the midwest lobby their congressmen to push it. And the congressmen get good press by pushing it, because they're bringing home subsidies for their farmer constituents and looking like they care about alternative fuels. But it's all hype: in the end, you're not really saving any petroleum by using ethanol. You're just putting less of it in your gas tank and more of it in the ground.

/sorry to derail the thread!

 

You didn't derail our dreams. We in the spirit world don't listen to reason so you haven't stopped our Utopian vision. We know that that corn being used isn't pure and its added to gas whether we want it or not. But look at the bright side we are still getting charged the same whether it is or isn't. So there

 

i use nothing but 91 in cali . i wish i had 93. The higher octane allows it to burn easily giving you more power.

 

It won't give you more power but you should notice a smoother ride. Not more power.

 

No, It actually increases the cost of fuel, because ethanol cost more to make & that extra bit of money to interest the farmers to sell it to the Gov, & Oil company's at a higher rate than sold @ the food / feed market rate.

Ethanol also burns faster & it takes more burned than straight oil based gas to go the same distances, adding to more cost to your pocket as well.:frown:

 

Plus GM saves millions in Federal CAFE fines by building the flex fuel vehicles. That is the reason they build them.

 

yeah, generally speaking the testing I have read, you will get about 75-80% of your gas mileage when you run E85 in a flex fuel vehicle

personally I am willing to accept that, if we could convert to a full Ethanol based fuel system across the nation, but that isn't going to happen
we don't have enough ag land in the entire country, to grow enough corn, to replace all our gas usage with E85
to say nothing of what we would do for food then, or feed for the cows & pigs, even if we did grow as much as theoretically possible

 

Hydrogen fuel cells! lol. I hear honda is already working on a fuel cell sportbike. The 2017 CBR2000RR. We can make funny nicknames for it, like "the watermaker" (rip off of the old suzuki "water buffalo" 750). It's either fuel cells or nuclear technology. I can just see tech inspectors testing your uranium for additives... :biggrin:

 

I would like a nuke'm bike

 

the ability to make engines or fuel cells that run on hydrogen is already there

the problem is where to get the Hydrogen? true there is plenty of it in the world, but to extract it, requires the use of energy, sometimes the use of close to what is being created, all you are then doing really is moving the place of emmissions, not eliminating it. You move from the tailpipe to the coal burning electrical plant. Still not great for the environment.

then you have to create the infrastructure...

 

I haven't seen anything about a 150MPG bike that has anything like real world power.

and I am one of the pessimists who think GM is only producing the flex fuel vehicles because it saves them millions in CAFE violations, since CAFE is measure based on gas usuage, not ethanol usage, and assumes a certain percentage of the time the flex vehicle will run on E85, when in reality very few of them ever see any E85 in their tanks

I can buy a flex fuel GM here in the SF bay area, even though as far as I know, there is not a single E85 pump anywhere near here -- for hundreds of miles actually. So obviously I am not filling up with it -- if I ever did buy a GM.

 

It would appear that some are confusing ethanol (commonly used in very cold climates as gas line anti-freeze) with methanol, a form of gasoline which not petroleum, but a product produced from grains, corn etc. Methanol is being added to petroleum more often but beware. Ford, for instance specifically warns against any fuels with methanol for their Tauruses in their manuals.

As far as brands go, here in the frigid north anyways. The gas you buy from any station is typically what is produced at the nearest refinery. So when you purchase from an Esso station, you could be getting Petro Can or Chevron and so on.

But some very interesting points of view. I have been told by my mechanic to burn mid grade fuel. He warned me specifically against the higher grades as they tend to burn the valves. So he says. Guess what. Next service which is 50,00KM (33,000 Miles), I am getting a valve job

 

Hmm interesting topic, good reading guys.
All I know is My beloved VFR and my 72 Chev truck loves and runs way better on Chevron premium, so I say if it ain't broke don't fix it. Besides that, I've seen the dyno sheets that say 92, wish we had 98 like the old days, makes more power idles way better. So i think I'll be sticking with what works here.