At what price would you be interested in a '14 VFR800 Std?

$8300 + $100 for a center stand. That is still cheap. But you get chain driven cams, and less power than our old ones. This last incarnation is absolutely gorgeous. As soon as you ride it, you've now got a $6000 motorcycle. Tough decision.

Not worth it to me. I have a grand total of about $4600 in my 01 that had 4100 miles on it when I got it. If I had to sell it, I'm pretty sure I could get at least $4000 back out.

It's only money. You'll get more next payday. But don't borrow.

 

Not everyone is obsessed with money. Not everybody needs to feel like they got the cheapest of anything in the world. Some people place a value on who and where they do business.

As far as 5th gens. being the holy grail, I had one and didn't think it was without it's own drawbacks. Chain or belt driven cams are the norm in anything with an overhead cam engine. They work quite well and anyone that thinks any engine doesn't have it's generational issues is delusional, such as the never ending RR discussion with older VFR's that have left many a thousand rider stranded in the middle of nowhere. I think it's perfectly fine to let people buy what they want without hearing how horrible their purchase may be for whatever reasons. It sounds like the "my bike is better than your bike" unwinable contest.

 

How about $6988?
http://www.tri-countypowersports.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?veh=393279&pov=4302557

 

Read the fine print. Probably still a good deal after the "details" rape is over with. One should also consider what a fine motorcycle this money is buying. One common thread in VFR forums is how bad they suck but everybody on the forum enjoys riding them and spends a lot of money on them. The bike everyone loves to hate. Go figure. I like mine.

 

As I used to sell motorcycles, I can tell you that the dealer fees are shipping and assembly. Both of which are negotiable, especially on a bike that has been sitting so long. The rest are government fees, i.e. taxes, license etc. It's a 2014, still for sale in 2016. The bike never was a top seller and believe me, they want to sell it. If I could, I'd buy it and probably get it for $7500 out the door, including taxes, etc.

Dealers will try and add on as many fees as they can, that's the game. Doesn't mean you have to play it that way. Go in there pre-approved for a certain amount, or cash and then talk. Or, just agree on a firm price before talking finance etc. Pre-approved or cash makes you king.

 

Had center stand added to my 14 for only $35 but it was done at the same time as I was getting my Two Bros installed so that may be why it was cheap. Still worth it.

 

Cash ain't king or queen or of much use to anybody when it comes to financing (borrowing) money for a bike or car. I sold bikes too. Dealers love finance deals; they get pesos right off the top. The time to flash cash is just after you tell the friendly sales dude bye-bye. Or when the sales dude "has" to confer, check, talks to or fill in the blank with the "SALES MANAGER" who may appear in a white robe or with the attitude that selling you a fifteen grand bike is somehow wasting his time..

Unless the dealer has your John Henry on a legit sales contract. The price is still negotiable. The sales dudes will tell you anything to sell a bike. Same deal, unless you got their John Henry or in ink it ain't all good. It's every man, woman or one of those other types for himherit self.

The more shit the dealers can pile on a sale the better for them.

Walking in to any vehicle dealer withoot doing homework is like sticking your dick (assuming ya have one) into a blender the throwing the switch.

Many pardons for the sexual overtone but better IMO, to get over that than getting fucked by a dealer.

The price for a vehicle sans registration and licensing is OOD. Even then dealers will try to get that oot front or as part of the sale and skim a little off the top.

They are in that business. They do all this shit 24/7. They have millions of sales to their credit and experience.

Get over any idea that a dealer is your friend. That ain't happening. It's a business transaction.

Back in the day when we were living in caves and spearing woolly mammoths for lunch, cokes were a nickel and Richard Nixon was Supreme Leader, there were posters of him saying" Would you buy a used car from this guy?"

We now go from those not so thrilling days of yesteryear and substitute Donald Trump. I bet he has a Harley dealership or two tucked away someplace..

 

If you have multiple dealers in your area then use this to your advantage. I had 3 within a couple of hours difference and was very happy with the deal I got (taking into account we get butt raped on prices here in the UK) Had there only been one dealer negotiations would have been more difficult.

Decide what you are willing to pay and stick to it, many a time I've walked away from a "deal" for the sake of a few $s.

 

Ran some errands Sat and stopped by the local BMW/Triumph/Ducati dealer. Looked at a BMW F800GT and threw a leg over. This was a bike that I sincerely wanted in 2014. I couldn't get over how much nicer the 8th gen's build quality appears to be. The BMW fairing was an endless noise machine which was surprising as I didn't recall this being an issue. I also happened upon a 2009 F800ST and same unimpressive build quality. I really like the build quality on these 8th gen bikes.

A little seat time on my Street Triple today helped me realize that really, I just NEED two motorcycles.

 

FYI, two bikes isn't enough. Multiple bike syndrome (MBS) doesn't begin until you have that third bike in the garage and you come up with a "valid" reason to have that fourth bike. They the cycle begins to decline when you realize you're putting a rear tire on one of them about every week. Then someone makes you an offer you can't refuse on the bikes and you end up with one again and you're not constantly working on a bike any longer. You ride more and enjoy THE bike more. Been there, done that. ; )

 

What is fun when a dealer says that is his "final" price and there is a stack of stuff waiting for your signature to close the deal they are trying to make, is to gather up the paperwork and ask if it's OK to show this to the "other" guys. Not a foolproof tactic but it sure gets their attention. Another is to not act like the dealer is raping you. They see that all the time.. The better is to just tell them that ya need to think about this more or that you have to run this by the wife. This includes multiple wives and even those of strange genders.

 

Luckily I have no wife. Alas I have a gf, fuck all difference really......

 

The wife thing is merely a ploy. I suppose a GF would work too or depending on the sales dude your bogus SO could even be a dude.

 

Normally I dislike dealers, yet perversely have always enjoyed negotiating when buying a bike or car. Was in the process of buying a ZZR600 years ago and a friend of my wife was best mates with the owner. Told me to go in with him as he would get me a better deal if he talked to his mate. Upshot was deal remained the same, but salesman who agreed to it got a bollocking when the owner looked at the details of the deal I had negotiated.

 

Hence the need for homework when on "their" turf. Here and I infer in UK a deal is not a deal until it's writ.. All dealers are not skunks. Way too many are IMO. Your advice concerning working with several dealers is great advice even to the point of feeling a dealership out even if the transaction is of the price matching variety.

Anecdote: I was in the market for a new car. Made my decision as to what to buy. Talked to three different dealerships in Houston, Texas. Looking for a better deal, I phoned a dealership 125 miles from Houston. Told the sales guy I was a serious buyer. I saved as I recall nearly a thousand pesos and when the car was ready, it came with a full tank of gas and the sales guy had waxed it. My only additional cost was the price of a bus ticket and the price of the lunch for the sales guy..

One of the other trick used on customers in some of the dealerships is the paperwork shuffle. The fuckers run folks from one office and person to the next until the customer is so happy to get the hell out of there with his or her purchase they many times miss those "little" details that increase the price.

Got family in the car biz... and I deal with bike dealers and shops.

We will now hear from dudes that work at dealerships in various capacities trying to convince everyone that all dealerships are as honest as __________. (creative term (s) to submitted here)

 

My favourite is when they have to "talk to the sales manager" ie go away for a cupppa whilst you stew. My response is simply, go and get them, if you don't have the authority to do a deal, bring me someone who does. This is also followed by me saying if I see them walking back alone, they see my back as I walk out.

 

Yep, they pull that shit here too. Another fun one to check oot how an individual dealership operates is to visit and see how much they offer on a trade in. Any bike will do. All that after the homework is done. I was tempted several times to take some Kleenex with when they started in on the "we lose money on trades" schtick.

You guys have a service similar to our "Bluebook" Bluebook in todays terms is generic here.

This one takes some of the sales doods off guard. This one should be used in very civil tones... Tell the sales dood that you and he or she are not friends but it's a possibility that could happen after our business is conducted and a level of trust has been established.

I think it apropos that this post should make specific that any talk of trades at a dealership be restricted to motorcycles or perhaps a car and not wives , children or girlfriends.

 

I traded in a ZX10R for the Viffer, was very pleased with the price I negotiated. Also got 10% off the top box and all fittings. Plus the dealer supplied and fitted the R&G crash bobbins for free. (With labour that would have been about $300.)

I had the ZX10R for 3 years, purchased used from a dealer in England. The dealer I traded it into is asking the same price for it that I paid originally.

 

Nothing wrong IMO, in making a profit on a sale. Dealers have to put up with all kinds of customers too. The Saturday lurkers, the tire kickers, the nitpickers, the harleydoods in drag coming oot of the closet ect.

The defense many dealers have come up with is to provide all the barriers they can rather than just flat oot tell buyers that's the reason they are in business.

Sometimes those customers are of the MP type (multiple personality) and can be seen in computer and camera stores on alternating Saturdays..

Never traded in a bike mself.. Bought some new ones a few times. Always had the cash to back myself up.. Bought and sold a few from club members too or on the advice of club members who know other members of other clubs that do fair deals and do not deal in POS bikes except for parts bikes.

What is so damned odd is that there are who knows how many books on this and equally as many or more WWW sources and still people walk into those dealerships with no more gear than diving into a bathtub full of Piranhas wearing not much more than a string Bikini.

Maybe a new riff on ATGATT might be good.

 

Any pics of the bikini?