Backlash has begun

I've been sued before. Never successfully. Even if they were successful, the public's pockets are deep. They are the ones who pay.

The pot needs more salt there Sunny!

 

NJ troopers were sued over stopping people for stuff just like this-that video had all the proof those bikers needed for a lawsuit. I am not saying its easy, but I would all ways try-didn't see any reason for this stop. You can't be singled out by what you drive or ride.:chaingun::tyrannosaurus:

 

Not so bad, now drivers seem to give me more space on the road and stay farther back at stoplights.

 

They may have a civil rights case against the police. I simply do not know about that. But everywhere I am aware of, speeding is an absolute liability offense. Either you are exceeding the speed limit or you are not. You are doing 1 mile over the limit, legally you are violating that law. Of course I am well aware of the error margin of radar and laser. And even though the vehicle preceding you was driving faster than you, this does not release you from your obligation to abide by the laws which are legally in place. Who knows, the LEO might have had his head down doing noted or writing reports when the first vehicle went by. Any number of things.

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily agree with that higher up who made that order. But for the sake of argument, if a certain segment of the motoring public is causing a serious problem and it affects the safety of other segments of society, do you not think the courts will agree that the police might have to take innovative measures to deal with it, so long as the people they are targeting, are not being profiled based on sex and sexual orientation, age, religion or race? Profiling is done and done well. It is a valuable tool for police to get their job done.

I know laws are different in every country. We have the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which might be considered our answer to the US Constitution. The setting up of road blocks, and checking everyone who comes through, has been considered a violation of those rights for the most part. However our Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that if the roadblocks are set up for the purpose of checking for Impaired Drivers, then even though the rights of the individual have been violated, the problem and cost to society as a whole, caused by impaired drivers, far out weights the relatively minor violation of that individuals right to be free of any arbitrary arrest or detention. At a roadblock, you are being detained arbitrarily, all be it, for a short period of time. You drive up, you are not impaired and you are legally allowed to drive away, then you your get waved through and you drive away.

Commercial Truckers have gone through the same thing but only 20 fold greater though. All over North America, because there were a few spectacular accidents involving big truck, then "THE FUCKING MEDIA" gets a hold of and plays it over and over and over again, all of a sudden everyone is hollering that the government has to do something to get a handle on these dangerous and nasty truck drivers. Ask any trucker today what shit they have to go through, and what measures they have to take to driver commercially on the highways n the USA and Canada. I would be willing to bet Europe and Australia is similar. Mind you, Auzzies are descendants of criminals so who knows?

Hopefully like several have said, this will die downs and we will not be saddled with a whole pile of restrictions in the future because of these assholes in New York and I am sure other places too.

Think I should go back to work so I don't have time to get so damned long winded on this crap.

 

You haven't really done much in this life if you haven't been sued. Especially if you're American.

Add to the list:

Crashed your bike to a total loss

Been out on the water with Orcas

Fucked someone crazier than yourself

Hurt yourself so badly that you weren't sure you'd recover


I don't recommend any of these.

 

allways get badge Numbers and file a complaint-cops really hate that-it goes on their record. Don't allow cops to bully you! Ya look one of the riders was a girl-didn't look anything at all like that mob of idiot bikers! We do Live in a Police state with more bullshit laws then Germany in world war 2!:tongue2::target:

 

I know you were engaging in a bit of hyperbole there daughterofsleddog. So far I haven't seen any instances of anyone being locked up for their religious beliefs while motorcycling. Although you maybe could make the case that VFR riders are heathen pagan WORSHIPPERS OF NICHE MOTORCYCLES. But you wouldn't hear that from me.

 

Kinda did the last two. One of them was fun, the other was not. Sometimes I get the two mixed up cause one involves my ex and ...well.....nuff said.

 

You know. Most cops don't give a shit about that. I gave peeps my business card and wrote the office phone number and my bosses name on the back. Fill your boots. I am sure my personnel file was fairly thick when I retired. Could have seen it if I wanted but I didn't give a shit about that either.I still draw a pension.

When you reach adulthood, you will start to realize what really matters.

 

You'll probably find this hilarious coming from me but I read about world cultures which includes legal matters and you know what I've concluded, you just can't make every single person happy. All you can do is the best you can given the situation. Like with the profiling, if the police start pulling over anyone on a sportbike then the bikers get mad and the public is happy. But if the police leave the sportbikers alone the bikers are happy and yet the public is crying for justice. What can you do in that situation? Truthfully if I was a police officer I would start watching sportbikers more carefully, especially those that ride in large groups and have mohawks on their helmet. But I wouldn't just simply pull over anyone going 1 mile over but if they start doing wheelies or riding crazy you'd bet I'd be tailing those bikers.

The only "wrong" thing I see sometimes with justice is not giving offenders a second chance and not an opportunity to realize the consequences of their actions. I'm sure in your previous line of work you've seen repeat offenders that just never seem to quite get it. And mind you I'm not talking speeding but more serious crimes like DUIs, hit-and-runs, and auto theft. Do these offenders at least face their victims and get forced to realize how they have hurt others? True, some offenders simply are just a lost cause but a least give them to chance to understand the consequences and that some laws are in place for valid reasons, not "just because".

Oh well, the debate goes on, its tricky because there isn't always a 100% right answer.

 

Here, and I think many places there as well, the victims or their survivors have the right to face the accused before sentence is passed. I don't think that really does any good other than the victims may have a sense of closure. I am sure the convicted person feels bad while in that court room, but, I would bet that the vast majority of them, with some exceptions of course, forget all of what was said by the end of the week if not sooner.

When I used the 1 MPH over, I was using that strictly as a letter of the law example. My area of discretion was considered to be quite high in my day. Except when I was working the on ramps and I saw brake lights come on when I activated the radar or laser. Tolerance then drops for the individual driving that car with the laser/radar detector because they have gotten away often enough, they need to get a friendly reminder not to rely on those things too much. But it was still high enough that they would have or should have known they were speeding. Or if the weather was really bad. Playground and school zones goes without saying but there, I tried to be as visible as possible. I wanted the traffic to be slow, not caught.

No one should ever shy away from responsible debate, either side. I did not always agree with certain things that I had to do because I was paid to do so. If I felt strongly enough about it, I found alternative measures to deal with problems. Oh...peaceful measures BTW.