longer brake line

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  1. strada

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    I'm looking for a new brake line that would be about 1" longer.
    it looks like a very short line that goes to a T junction.
    I'm looking to give the bike a little more rise...even abouve Heli
     


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  2. Pete2

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    Just if you didn't know; the space is very limited. With helibars there is only 2-5 mm clearance between the bars and tank/screen when you turn from lock to lock. If you go any higher the bars are touching tank/screen (depending which way you turn).
     


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    Good point Pete.

    If you still want longer lines, find a local hydraulic tube and hose shop. They can build what you want and even a complete set of stainless lines will probably be cheaper than the made to order online stuff.

    If you don't know where the local tubes and hoses huy's shop is, go to one of the construction equipment sales and service places an ask them. They probably do not service their own lines and contract the hoses guy to do it for them. He may need to reuse your existing T fitting.
     


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    Or you can just make your own for cheap. Plenty of US distributors for earl's plumbing. http://earls.co.uk
    I've made my own braided stainless brake lines and clutch lines for several of my bikes using this stuff. You just buy the hose in bulk by the foot, buy the appropriate fittings, and assemble them yourself. Done correctly, they last virtually forever.
     


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    A special crimp is required that shows DOT approval if I remember what the tubes and hoses guy said. They have to pressure test their fittings and connections.

    I'll have to clarify with him next time I'm up there.
     


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    Not here in the states you don't. And no special crimp tool required. A carbide cut-off wheel is the weapon of choice for cutting the line to length. Beyond that, a wrench and a plastic stick is all that's required. I know those poor brits can scarcely change anything on their bikes without the cops being on them like stink on shit. It amazes me. You'l be hard pressed to find a cop over here that will bend down to check the certification on your exhaust. Then again, you don't even have to have an actual motorcycle license to ride an R1 or Gixxer thou over here. All you need here is a good line of credit and a temporary license, which requires a written test only.
     


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    Like I said, I'll have to double check on the details but I know the tubes and hoses guy specifically said something about pressure testing before the braided line could be DOT approved.
     


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    We are all well aware of what you said Tink and i'm calling bullshit on it too. I have bought many assembled lines and none of them are stamped with any type of DOT anything. I'm sure you will go to some psychotic end to prove that you're right, but common sense should enter into this at some point.
     


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    Call these guys, they can make it up for you, they are the HEL USA distributor. Home Page
     


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    A little bucky tonight? Redbook girls weren't willing to take your phone calls?

    Not sure that asking the guy to clarify his statement to me would be considered psychotic end but I do not like to be misinformed. For all I know he may have been making a tongue in cheek reference to some commercial vehicle standard? When he made up my lines, he took one back saying he forgot to pressure test and made some statement referring to DOT.

    Not sure what crawled up your vag tonight but maybe you've been home too long.
     


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    Kinda like paying with "plastic" for plastic bikes, huh. I have seen them braided brake lines made in an old shop of yore with that funky carbide cut off wheel. (tip: use duct tape where your cutting and you gets a clean cut) Have seen the bikes do battle on the race track with no issues wut-so-eva...

    Whats wrong with red-book gurls? :stipper:
     


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    Probably creating more trouble ...

    Same dude told me you could no longer get braided without a coating. Over the braided is a clear coating, again he said it had to do with DOT requirements. So the duct tape probably isn't required any longer.

    Unless again I the guy was just yanking my chain :potstir:
     


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    Standard No. 106; Brake hoses. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

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    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title49-vol6/pdf/CFR-2011-title49-vol6-sec571-106.pdf

    So according to Federal Standard, a permanently attached crimped fitting is required to meet DOT requirements (nothing "special" about the crimp). Of the reading I did, most people feel that Aeroquip hose ends are far superior but are not DOT approved to prevent stupid people from hurting themselves or something.

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    not sure if that qualifies as "psychotic" or whatever the accusation was.

    [​IMG]

    Not that anyone would care. Half the people here probably have exhaust that is "not for highway use." Just a statement of information. However with the Shervin's of the world running around with wrenches, and stupid people never seem to know they are part of the stupid club, it almost seems understandable that the DOT would have stupid requirements.
     
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    I picked up some SS brake lines years ago and am using those on my 5th gen. The lines are too long, so I bought a couple Russel banjo ends ($10 each) to shorten them up. By the way, looks like stainless braided lines mostly come in 3mm, sometimes in 2mm and only one manufacturer (can't remember right now) making the ideal 2.5mm lines most street bikes would use. I am confident mine are 3mm lines.

    If you don't have lines you can repurpose, I agree it would be more cost effective to contact HEL or Galfer and have some custom lines made.

    Jose
     


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    Kinda like the Earl's Plumbing I mentioned 9 posts prior. :wink:

    Still cheap compared to buying custom made lines. Unless you're a member of the stupid club.
     


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    The same source also mentioned Earl's as being similar and superior to crimp - just didn't make my quote. I guess aviation can use them since stupid people aren't allowed to touch things with wrenches.
     


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