Dimensions for Rider Test Course

So, I'm gearing back up to re-ride and test at my MSF--see my last thread about laying it down on the final exam.

I've been riding the VFR. Having been through the classroom and all but the final eval of the final exam, I felt more comfortable taking the bike out.

I've done about 25 miles of neighborhood, back road, and in between riding.

I"m still having difficulty with low speed maneuvers that require no counter steer.



QUESTION:

Does anyone know the dimensions of some of the course obstacles? I'd like to lay out a practice course in a parking lot near the house and just ride them but I'd like to make sure I don't make them too big so I don't screw myself by practicing in a larger area.

I'd love the box dimensions for the figure 8 low speed drill--that one I never finished without several faults.

Thanks everyone.

A website with graphics would probably serve well or just dimensions. I tried searching but only came up with strange things, probably bad choice of search terms.

Thanks again.

 

Never mind. I was trying to save myself a trip to the training area, but I wound up near there today. I had my tape measure and took care of it.

 

Stupid box. Only thing I lost points on during my exam. Good luck on the test, man!

 

I HATE THAT STUPID BOX! Who ever needs to turn that slowly anyway??? sTupid tiny box

 

I think the box is designed so no one can say they got 100%

 

Hey Tealgunner, would you mind posting the dimensions? that way it'll be available to anyone else who might be interested.

Cheers

 

This is not true.

It is very common to see guys on cruisers roll thru the double u-turn (not a figure 8, contrary to popular belief) like it isn't even there. On my VFR, even though I used to teach this stuff, I found the u-turns challenging. On my Triumph, it wasn't even the slightest challenge. There are 2 key reasons for cruisers having it easier.

1) Torque at low RPM. It' simply to do low speed maneuvers when you have coffee can sized pistons.
2) Low center of gravity. Pair this with the aforementioned torque & parking lot maneuvers are all too easy.

The reason the MSF uses this is because no one ever gets taught how to turn around in a parking lot by their dad or buddy who taught them to ride.

KC-10 FE out...
lane: :usa2:

 

Rake and trail have as much to do with low speed stuff as does GG and big bore pistons. Case in point. Liter displacement boxers.

MSF courses ain't all the same. They are tailored to fit the individual state's requirements for issuance of a MC endorsement, permit or whatever it might be called in given area. Case in point as idiotic as it sounds, MC test isng in some state can be taken sans skidlid or even shoes for all we know.. Another factor that differentiates is that the bureaucrats who write the "rules" ain't about give up turf to no damn buch of bike crazies.. just because uniformity makes sense.

Poor ol KC who thinks everyone and everything is the same in or out of the military is kind of not only misleading but sad and as I recall, busted his ass on whatever course he was teaching.. Ooops, LOL

Unless one's state has those sillyass tier regulations having to do with displacement and nothing else, take the bloody test on a rented or borrowed bike.

To add insult to injury Google up those Japanese motor officers on VFRs demonstrating thier prowess on obstacle courses. We are not all that good but blaming it somehow on the bike is sillybuggers.