Ignition on, lights on, push start, click, eveything dies.

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    I rode my 750 last week with no problems. Today I go out to the garage turn the ignition on, everything looks good, I hit the start button and hear one click, and everything goes dead. No lights, no power, nothing. I checked the 30 amp fuse that comes right off the positive battery terminal and it is good. Will a bad RR cause everything to go out like this? Or is there something else I should be looking at first? Thanks in advance.
     


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    check your connections at your battery and your starter relay.... then check your ground strap .
     


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    Ground good, battery good, and the starter relay connectors are tight, and still nothing.
     


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    possible starter button fail.

    The lights run through the starter button switch. So when you push the button, the lights cut out so all amps are available to the starter. When you release the starter button, the starter motor circuit is opened and the light circuit is closed.

    The switches have a habit of failing in the 1st gen bikes. If the bike is an easy starter, a quick and easy test would be to see if it will bump start. If the ignition is on and working properly, it won't give a shit about the start button.

    Otherwise go back and recheck everything crusty mentioned.

    Side of start switch - one pair is starter motor, other pair is light circuit
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    other side and button portion of start switch - contactor gets hot and melts in the housing, pivot post gets brittle and breaks off. Button will hang and not return to normal position allowing the lights to come back on.
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    Or your battery is kaput.
     


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    That was my first guess, except he posted up this:

    Assuming he knows how to test a battery......
     


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    Thanks for the info on the switch, I will look at it. When you say the lights run through the starter button switch do you mean all lights? I do not have any lights at all, no headlight, the idiot lights are out, no tail lights nothing. And yes I know how to test the battery.....
     


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    Another test is to use pliers to jump across the 2 big terminals atop the starter relay.......after you've verified trans is in neutral.

    This sends max battery power directly to starter, no need to turn key on, and bypasses all switches and wiring.

    If starter spins fine= bad handlebar switch unit or starter relay/ no spin = likely bad battery or charging system. Elementary, Watson.
     


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    I will test the start relay tomorrow, there is also a way to test the RR in the manual. I will give that a try. Thanks for the help.
     


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    If the battery has power, the RR has nothing to do with the symptoms you describe - because the lighting circuit has nothing in common with the charging side, except for the battery.
     


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    This is gud test, but you need a special screwdriver for this - Like a cruddy one that you wont mind getting weld marks on, otherwise someone may call the screwdriver police on ur arse.

    Love those up close and personal pictures of the 2nd generation starter switch as much as when a stripper gives me an up close and personal view of her poosey :smile: combine the two things and its priceless. Cheers
     


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    It was a first gen switch in the pic although it could be the same as the 2nd

    and I keep them filed in my rolodex
     


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    Similiar issues on my 2002.
    Replaced main and sub-harness.

    That worked for about a month. Battery is just over a year old. Went for a ride yesterday, when I stopped for gas...starter showed only a glimpse of life. The time and trip reset.

    Going to try the test method you guys suggested regarding the starter relay....only can you describe where I would find it on my bike? :)
     


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    follow the positive battery cable from the battery, it WILL lead you directly to the relay. usually its within 12" of the battery, give or take.

    this issue sounds like an internally corroded/damaged negative cable to me. or a positive. check both, and see. I've had it happen on a few vehicles in my time.
     


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    Thanks Bob,
    Soooo.....the internal cable....the cable from the battery terminals....
    I've attached a battery schematic....

    What about rectifier/regulator? Could this be a possible cause?
     

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    " What about rectifier/regulator? Could this be a possible cause? "



    Hell yes it could if your battery isn't being properly charged while riding, yes, all too common on VFRs.
     


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    Hey thanks,
    As this is my first bike...i'm learning as i go... :)

    anybody have a link to where I can download a manual to locate and remove the rectifier?
     


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    I'll put my money on a bad connection, probably a ground.
     


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    I'd agree but the bike just had the sub and main wiring harnesses replaced a couple of weeks ago..I ran through the cable lengths and they appear good...

    From what I've seen on other forums...the symptons of clock reset...trip meter reset...rev and speedo needle having a mind of their own.. point to the rectifier...

    Really appreciate all the comments tho.. speaks volumes of this forum
     


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