how to save your R/R

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  1. tinkerinWstuff

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    as I said, Ohm's law. You aren't taking into account amps into the equation. Amps are also what generates the heat. Volts, Amps, and Ohms are all directly related. Keeping a battery in premium condition does make life easier on the RR.

    Don't believe the battery has an affect on the RR? Try to run your bike without the battery and your RR will likely burn up right away. I believe the factory service manual even has specific warnings about operating with a disconnected battery.

    As I said, it's a complete system and each part affects the other. Someone who's going to go through the work of installing the heavier wiring harness outlined here or sold by www.wiremybike.com is foolish not to also invest in a battery tender and install a quick disconnect pigtail.
     
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    Thanks for the photos GLL.
    The extra ground wires photos were helpful.
     


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    it looks like YOU need a tender as your ON LINE instead of riding your BIKE!!!:tongue:
    yeah, battery tenders are worth having if your PARKING your bike for a while.
    if this thread drives you nuts :crazy: start your own thread about what to do make sure you have pix of your set up and a spot for white wheels..
    and whats best to keep them white..will a battery tender zap them clean? or soap and water? brake cleaner? is there a wheels cleaner that works or do you slowly let them get black? then repaint the build up white?
    watch out for that canadian bulllmoose!
     


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    I've said what I needed to say and already showed you don't know as much as you think you do.
     


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    What are you saying aboot white wheels bitch? :crazy:
     


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    Did that help or hurt the discussion? :pound:
     


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    your right ,, i am clearly stupid.. why else would i be the head tech at a honda shop and a custom bike builder.. whoa is me :(
    and your right, i have forgotten more about batteries than you have learned..and clearly have lost my mind!! i am not the all knowing know it all as much as thought!!
    OMG!!!

    this thread is for saving your r/r assuming the battery is not dead and the bike is RIDDEN!!
    not about a bat tender..
    now play with some other thread.
     


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    White is not a great color (or absence threrof) for the rear wheel on a chain driven bike. It does prompt regular chain tension adjustments. Save for those doods who have used rattlecan white from WalMart that is $.99 a can, the factory paint is tough stuff. For those in WalMart at this very instant and on one of the mobiles and trying to multitask by hiding from a guy with his mobile who wants to immortalize you forever as a "person of WalMart", hop on over to the autmotive section and grab a gallon of the dilutable cleaner. The Wally stuff is good. Cut 100% or for those who still use the Thermal Dynamics instead of the laws of thermodynamics, cutting 100% just means half water and half Wally Joy Juice. Cop a dollar spray bottle to or two. Cleans all that gunky shit right off that rear wheel and brake dust off the front too. Thats two again.. Works on carwheels too,all four if this is to to confusing.

    Brake or carb cleaner on any paint is not a great idea. MEK...but not to worry, hightekpencilneck assures us that snorting a little doesn't hurt but just a few synapses.


    Now the standoffs.. That R/R sitting on the frame on the exhaust side of several of the "older" VFRs gets hot. The seat shroud is not much help either. A little air space between the R/R and the frame using ceramic standoffs ain't the fix from God but according to at least one of those three laws of themodynamics, it can't hurt.

    Damn!! we have come full circle with this multinational zen stuff and ol sillyass Tink can't even spell OM yet..
     


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    Not really sure how, but there has to be a way the current or past federal administration is responsible for both R/R failures, and white wheels.
     


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    I know a current pun when I see it!

    I don't think the former fed administration was short of white wheels.
     


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    Volts; basically an electrical systems potential to do work.
    Amps; basically a measure of actual work being done.
    Ohms; basically a measure of resistance to flow or amps in the system.

    All three are intimately related. As Amps go up, volts go down. As ohms go up, amps go down. As Amps go down, volts go up. Heat is a byproduct of energy conversion or work. energy not always meaning electricity. Any use of energy will produce heat.

    To say a stator produces whatever it produces and that the rest of the system has no affect on it is ridiculous and shows a grave misunderstanding of electricity and the whole system. The stator will produce voltage and the voltage will increase with RPMs. But the system has not done any work yet and therefore has no Amps or heat. When a draw is placed on the system (amps) then heat is now generated. The heat is what creates failures in weak points within the system.

    This is all a simplified description - we can get all textbook and scientific here if people feel the need to nitpick the simplified version. (giftwrapped invitation to billy)

    The upgraded electrical harness is an effort to reduce resistance in the system and allow more amperage to flow and a reduction in heat. This is why many people solder the stator to harness connectors or RR to harness connectors together. Arguing that the health of a battery has no affect on the RR is preposterous.

    An RR merely converts 3phase alternating current to DC. Hopefully we don't need to get into sin waves and the difference between. But the RR has no battery charging logic and has just as much ability to damage a battery as it does to charge it. A quality battery tender has logic built in and sophisticated monitoring of the charging process to prevent things like sulphation. Placing your battery on a quality tender is maintenance akin to changing your oil. Most people believe the standard life of a battery to be 4-5 years while people who regularly use a battery tender can attest to lifespans double that.

    To summarize; a battery in premium condition will require less amps (work) from the RR. Less work means less heat. Less heat means longer life of components.

    Further, bragging about being the "head Honda mechanic" further proves your ineptitude. It's long been known that stealerships do not pay well enough to retain quality wrenches. Quality guys are forced to go out and get jobs where the real money is.
     


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    buy your battery at auto zone.. comes with a replacement warranty where ever you go . as for pay 50 % of the labor charges. yeah, i am that good . go play in the sand .
     


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    If you want to converse with gll429, and don't have anything nice to say, call him.:lalala:
     


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    c'mon Knife, it's winter and I was only able to ride six days last week.

    we could go ride in the sand together if he likes, I'm pumped to take the DR out to the dunes.
     


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    gray wheels on my 92. Original RR and Battery since 92. I run a battery tender when not on the bike. I attribute my success to the gray wheels.
     


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    Well just wanted to say thanks for the post... before it gets locked
     


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    It is indeed a comfort to know that even my worst shit gets appreciated by someone

    I'm not buying that grey wheel stuff Beta........tell us the real secret. Dry Ice? Force field? Keeping it in an hermetically sealed vault guarded by midgets ?
     
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    HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY shit I allmost pissed myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tink, I know GLL personally, he's a pretty good feller and knows his shit, sevral people on VFRD swear by him and have him work on their bikes. I completely agree with what you said about using a battery tender, it can only help. The original post, however came off kinda like "you don't need all that stinkin nonsense, just use a battery tender". I know that's not what you meant, but whatever.

    Greg, I have not had the pleasure of meeting Tink in person and hangin out, etc. but he's a pretty cool easy goin dude too, so chill the fuck out. I think I and everyone else here (well, maybe not BB) know that you were providing great pics and write up of how to build your own kit with a little more work and a lot less money than buying the kit from wiremybike. It is appreciated, Tink just mentioned that a battery tender is a great idea/addition to your original post.

    Allright, my mediation is done for the evening, please submit all Butt Hurt forms to KC-10 for further review and/or go to his head shrinkin thread for some mental stability.......................:flame::flame::flame: on guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     


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    Metalican youre just no fun.....:pout:
     


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