What is speeding

I posted this on a different site(probably a younger crowd) and got some interesting responses. So what say you VFR world ?

Everyone understands the speed limit is what it is...... I can buy into the concept that moving @ a slower pace is safer,but that really only applies in residential areas. With all the moving radar and highway speed cams you gotta say....wtf?? It's 3 am theres 8 vehicles in a 3 mile stretch and you get pulled/mailed for doing 75 in a 55. Your only real hope is a cop no show(it's easier to beat a murder rap?). I say speeding is going to fast for the conditions, efa sign on I-xx. I say the way speed limits are enforced is unconstitutional as it violates my right to liberty, or @ the very least excessive punishment considering points,fines,premiums,etc... .Think we could ever change it, would we want to? Any lawyers out there?

 

who is we? "We the people" or we the government. Ill try to avoid starting a political discussion as i dont think that is what you are looking for, the to answer that specific question it wont change. speeding tickets make for lOOOOTS of income for the govt. here in michigan the state police are required by the governor to average one ticket ever 60 seconds.

would we want to? mm, i would say no. if you let people drive at whatever speed they want dummies would drive 79mph in a neighborhood. on the highway you would see people doing 150. there would be much more accidents because someone like you might only go that fast when no other cars around, but there are dummies out there that would do it 24/7 and people would end up dead.

there has to be some limit to stop the dummies that would kill people, but that limit has to be a specific number, if you say its based on conditions some would say the conditions were ok, some would say they werent ok. its a relitive statement inwhich a judge would have no abilitity to judge as he wasent there to see the traffic.

in short, you cannot drive fast when noone is around, because of the few dummies that drive fast when there are people around.

 

Funny thing is here in michigan, they give out speeding tickets on state roads that do not even have a legal speed limit (posted speed was 30, posted illegially by the city on a state owned road, no post by the state, aka people got 5 over tickets when driving 35 in a 55 road, apparently no speed study was even done) the state has since came in and posted 40 mph signs
and, if you get a ticket, say you were goign 5 over, you can actually get a ticket for going up to 14 over. at least in one county up here.

 

what is quite unocnstitutional is the driver responcibilitity law we have,

lets say you get 3 tickets. for each of these tickets you have committed a crime and you are punished 3 times. you get a fine for each. 3 actions, 3 crimes, 3 punishments. but lets say your tickets give points and add up to a certain number,

you then randomly recieve another fine in the mail. on that fine it states in clear lettering, that you will recieve another fine in 12 months. you are punished 2 more times. 3 crimes, 5 punishments. which of the 3 actions are you being punished for twice?

the constitution states that noone can be punished more than once for any given crime.


(sorry, modern politics bug me)

 

I say, too bad mrvfr killed your thread. I agree, I could see several interesting responses to this one.:boobies1:... I mean opcorn:

 

i think speeding in a cage should be when your doing more than 15 over the posted sign, and speeding on 2 wheels should be when your doing more than 25mph faster than the traffic around you.
on a veefer it should be never! lol

 

This question reminds me of a lawyer joke:

Lawyer Jokes - Two Plus Two

I am a lawyer myself, so I can fully appreciate this.

 

Sounds like you got nailed for 20 over the double nickel. As to understanding "speed limits" There are three basic things going. The prima facie limit, the posted limit and the max limit.

There are lawyers who specialize in traffic infractions and many times the LEO will not even show in court when they get wind of one of the "ticket" lawers is a hired gun. They will sometimes look like they are headed to the john and never come back.

Best thing I can tell you is maybe move to Germany and play on the Autobahn, take your scoot to a "track day" and get yourself a copy of your States Motor Vehicle Code which may very well be online.

...and you would have assholes doing 90 in school zones just in case the other guys weren't clear.

Most of this was covered in Roger Corman's "Death Race 2000" c 1975.

 

65mph limits i've never been pulled for going 79. most other limits i usually do 5-7 over and cops don't seem to care much

 

Gona be traveling there in a few weeks and got a nice mid size car to haul arse in. I been there before and had small cars with motors as big as a Busa's (1.3 litre) which kinda sucked. You have to have some muscle there. Anyway they still give out tickets there and its not all autobahnen. Driving is more expesnisve as riding is.

Cops all over the world just basically have to justify their pay, so when they cant do real police work they hand out traffic tickets. Its all about nepotism and favoritism basically, if your related to a cop and can prove it or if your a cop yourself you wont be cited. The car/bike is a cash cow for the townie governments. You could get a ticket for J-Walking too you know...nuff sed

 

Even though I could see what was coming as I was half way through, it's a pretty class joke! (it is a joke isn't it?)!:tongue:

 

Speeding is in the eye of the beholder. Unfortunately, that's too often a LEO.

 

I don't fully agree with MVFR because there are instances where no speed limits have worked, i.e: Autobahn, Montana's "Be reasonable and prudent." And in these cases there is not some huge increase in death and accidents. I do agree that there should be some speed limits, in the city, school zones etc. But I think that the real issue lies with the way our licensing systems works. The reason the autobahn is successful is for 3 solid reasons; excellent road surface, difficulty/amount of training to get a German license, and enforcement of laws. In Germany, on the autobahn the left lane is used for PASSING ONLY. Which is technically the law in the U.S. (at least Washington) however rarely enforced. In Germany, if you are in the left lane and are not actively passing you can expect a huge fine and probably to get hit from behind by a porche doing 140. In the U.S. we have too many stupid/under-trained drivers to have the same system on a large scale. I do think though, that motorcycles should have no speed limit. It should be up to the tax paying rider to decide whether or not s/he wants to be a dark spot on the pavement, and bikes do not have near the potential of a cage for doing harm to other motorists in the event of and accident. In that same vein I think that GD huge SUV driving, cell phone talkers, who choose to speed and drive aggressively in a 3 ton death machine should pay triple fines

End Rant BWAAHAHAH

 

I'll just say the judge & I agreed to disagree on what constitutes "speeding."

There are so many factors that go into a subjective "safe speed": condition of the bike tires, brakes, etc., road surface, rider ability... that speeding is anything above the posted number. I understand the conversation around going faster and I don't disagree, but I've become comfortable with seeing bluelights (fade away in the distance

 

I guess I've always taken the dangerous viewpoint that speed limits are merely a suggested guideline. This viewpoint has cost me plenty even though I know a local attorney who can almost certainly, almost always, get the citation dismissed (this is at least equally wrong in my opinion). I don't speed in heavy traffic or residential areas, that's just rude. I have to admit though that when my right wrist gets overzealous on a deserted stretch of road I always end up with the same question: Just who is it that I'm endangering??? I have a knack for causing oncoming state patrol to flip U-Turns and chase me...seems so much more dangerous to the general public than anything I might have been doing speed-wise.

 

Its basically a middle class tax.

 

The Rule of Law, learn it, live it, love it.

BZ

 

When the number indicated in the little box on the dash, or on the round thing with the needle, i.e., the speedometer, is bigger than the larger black number, on the sign with the white background, you are speeding. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. It is time for the U.S. to stop making concessions to the mentally disabled, it is ruining the genetics of an entire nation.

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A couple of these dudes probably figure that helmets infringe on thier God-given rights too.

My idea is to make flipflops and baggies mandatory and maybe even really cool tanktops.

I hope "baggies" is the correct usage. What I am talking about are those pedalpusher type short pants that look like whoever is wearing them, didn't make it to the crapper in time.

If y'all need a style guru, I am yer mon..