VF500 F2 Rear Wheel Impossible!

That's typical for all motorcycle shocks. Getting access to the thing can be a challenge. Most of the time it requires having the side panels off, and maybe even the battery.

You need to have the CBR600F2 bearing spacer and dust seals with VF500F bearings (2x 6303UU).

 

Are the wheel bearings the only things that are from the VF500?

All dust seals and oil seals are for the F2?

 

A quick note on this drawing - this axle is a VF500F part - the build list is located here:

http://vfrworld.com/forums/1st-2nd-generation-1983-1989/30852-vf500f-cbr600f-wheel-conversion.html

 

Exactly. Your wheel should be ok as it was sucessfully installed by the previous owner. If the bearings or center spacer tube were wrong you would know it - it would be very obvious.

 

I can't be sure but I think when the bike is on a rear stand and I grip the rear wheel there is some side to side play.

Hence why I want to be sure all is ok in the wheel.

I don't particularly trust the previous owner had everything right.....it is my life afterall.

 

OK

Matt's and My schedule finaly came into sync and I was able to make it up to his place to compare the two 86 VF500F side by side. My basically stock and Matts' DMr conversion.
I had a look at the VIN and our bikes are ~40 numbers apart - so they were probably made in the same month if not week.


Picture of a 120 18" tire Besides a 150 (155 measured) 17"



Picture of both bikes with the Tires mounted




Here is a picture of Matts swingarm with the DMr bracket - notice how tight the bracket is to the swing-arm after he ground down the swingarm stub/boss to allow the brake disk to fit without interference




Here is a picture of my un-modified swingarm with the same DMr brake bracket - notice how the bracket sit proud of the swing-arm.



Here is a picture of the rotor in the caliper bracket of the DMR conversion, mounted to my biike with the OE swing-arm - notice how the bracket is "cocked to one side as it is sitting so much further out from the swingarm (due to the thicker bracket on the swing-arm - this causes the outer edge of the rotor to interefere with caliper bracket



So it appears that there is a noticeible difference in the swing-arm castings between the 84-85 and some 86's

So based on what we see here, I think that for the DMr kit to work on some 86's you have to either grind a LOT of the stub back to allow the bracket to sit in enough, or the bracket has to be re-designed to allow the stub to penetrate deeper into the bracket so it sits in the appropriate amount, maintaining the proper caliper to rotor alignment


Cheers


Moose

 

Thanks again Moose for making the trip to my place to do this.

That last picture you got there looks amazingly similar to one of the first pictures I posted regarding my issue with the kit:




I would also like to point out that before Moose came over I ground out alot more material from that swingarm tab. Doing this has solve my issue where I was unable to properly torque down the Axle nut without it binding the rear wheel.

The removal of my rear wheel today also brought to light a *ticking* noise coming from the rear wheel:


The rear most bolt that holds the rear caliper to the DMr Caliper bracket sticks out and rubs the rear rotor bolts.

regarding the fitment of the DMr kit to different years.....I have no idea. it obviously doesn't fit my 86 without modification and it doesn't fit Mooses 86 without modification.

....and as far as I can tell the part numbers for the Swingarms and the rear brake caliper are the same for all 3 years.

 

Thanks for the follow-up Moose and Slow. This is a head scratcher for sure as the swingarm part numbers are the same for all years - OEM # 52110-KE7-000.

 

Maybe two different manufacturing facilities.

BZ

 

Certainly a possibility, though it is hard for me to believe that the factory tolerances would be this far off - for the same Honda OEM part number.

VIN Identification Chart

 

Yo Slo ...My Vin starts with JH2PCI1206GMXXXXXX ... So the Hamamatsu plant in Japan .... yours ?

Moose

 

Same thing....GM.

Hamamatsu plant

 

Anyone who's reading this thread....it'd be great if you could post the 2 letters in your VIN.

i.e. JH2PCI1206GMXXXXXX

G in this case is the year 1986

M is the plant Hamamatsu

Jamie...if you can post for your VF500s.

Matt...if you can post yours please....that'd be great too.

Please and thanks!

 

GM for my '86.

 

Thanks for the quick response Hawk

 

does the fact that yours is a "European Model" have anything to do with this? I mean Moose is in Canada , your in Canada..... maybe its a Canadian thing a slight difference in European models and US models.... sorry if this has been covered already

 

Hmmm...I am unsure why you'd think our bikes are European models. Canada is part of North America....and they aren't VF500FII's. Just normal VF500F's.

I checked a couple US bikes. Both had the "GM" in their VIN #'s, as does Hawks.

I have a feeling all VF500's will be from the Hamamatsu plant.

 

WELL, YOU GUYS AREN'T THE U.S. DON'T YOU GET DIFFERENT COLORS THAN WE DO? IT WAS A THOUGHT.. SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT ABOUT IT THAN I THINK IT WAS MATT WHO ORIGINALLY GAVE YOU THE CONVERSION IIRC? IT SEEMED TO FIT HIS U.S. VF500.. BUT NEVERTHELESS, HOPE IT GETS FIGURED OUT SOON..

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS i CHANGED SOMETHING INADVERTANTLY AND NOW I CAN'T TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK...

CRUSTY

 

'EM' for my '84.

 

hahaha.....don't worry about the Caps thing.

uhhh...for the VF500 we got the same colors as the rest of North America. I don't think there are any difference between US and Canadian Models.

Hmmmm.....so the same plant and made 2 years prior to mine and Mooses bike. I think this may disprove the thought that they were made in different plants.....unless the bike that Jamie designed the kit on is different