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Rider Magazine names VFR1200 motorcycle of the year.

Discussion in '7th Generation 2010-Present' started by Ultra_Magnus, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Ultra_Magnus

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    The only reason this was done is because Honda told the guys at Rider they would out them as girlymen if they didn't pick the 1200 as bike of the year.
     


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    I haven't seen this much venom since I bought Amazing Spiderman Issue 316:
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    (for non-comic book fans the character in black is named Venom)

    Look - the bike may well be revolutionary (we won't know that for several years) but it's *definately* a major leap in the two-wheeled world. Honda took the best all-around street bike & vastly upgraded it's *tech* and it's power as well. Not saying everyone likes it, but the facts are rather hard to refute.

    Not trying to flame - or start a flame war - but I put forth that the VFR 1200 should be bike of the year hands down for the following reasons:
    * All-day comfort with Sport Bike performance (not saying it's an R1, but it's no ST1300)
    * GD Amazing auto tranny
    * 170 hp gives it the get-up-and-go of many sport bikes
    * New engine that reduces vibration dramatically
    * All this starting from a 13 award winning VFR.

    I'd like to hear other nominees & why anyone feels something else should have won.



    And here...we............Go!
     


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    Revengel - you need to get to know badbilly. That's not venom by any means. lol
     


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    GTFO seriously... S1000RR BLOWS the VFR1200 away on technology and performance.

    2010 BMW S 1000 RR TECHNICAL DATA
    Engine & Drivetrain
    999 cc
    Bore/Stroke (mm) – 80.0/49.7
    193 hp @ 13,000 rpm
    83 lb/ft @ 9,750 rpm
    Compression – 13.0:1
    48mm throttle bodies
    14,200 rpm redline
    Valves operated by single cam follower
    6 speed gearbox
    Slipper clutch
    Multi disc wet clutch
    Chain final drive
    Suspension
    46mm USD forks
    Adjustable preload, rebound, and high and low speed compression
    Single Shock with linkage
    Adjustable preload, rebound, and compression
    Pressure cast (forged) aluminum wheels
    3.5 x 17 front
    6.0 x 17 rear
    Dual 320mm floating rotors in front
    Radial mounted 4 piston Brembo calipers
    Single fixed 220mm rear rotor
    Single piston floating rear caliper
    Special Features
    1st time available Race ABS & Dynamic Traction Control (DTC)
    E-gas (ride by wire) that works with Race ABS & DTC
    Four Settings:
    Rain
    Sport
    Race
    Slick
    Aluminum gas tank
    Built in laptimer
    Optional Gear Shift Assistant
    Variable intake runners
    Asymmetrical headlights derived directly from endurance racing
    Dry weight of 404 lb. 450lb wet with full tank, 455.3 wet with full tank and ABS.
     


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    :wink:

    I see you and raise you the following:
    Engine Type: 1237cc liquid-cooled 76° V-4
    Bore and Stroke: 81mm x 60mm
    Compression ratio: 12.0:1
    Valves: SOHC; four valves per cylinder
    Induction: PGM-FI 44mm throttle bodies
    Ignition: Digital electronic
    Transmission: 6-speed (VFR1200F) / Six-speed automatic with two modes and manual mode (VFR1200F with Dual Clutch Automatic Transmission)
    Final Drive: Shaft
    Suspension
    Front: 43mm; 4.7 inches travel
    Rear: Pro Arm single-side swingarm with Pro-Link® single gas-charged shock; 5.1 inches travel
    Brakes
    Front: Dual 320mm discs, CBS 6-piston calipers with ABS
    Rear: Single 276mm disc, CBS two-piston caliper with ABS
    Tires
    Front: 120/70 ZR17 radial
    Rear: 190/55 ZR17 radial
    Wheelbase: 60.8 inches (1545mm)
    Rake: 25-deg
    Trail: 101.0mm (4.0 inches)
    Seat Height: 32.1 inches (815mm)
    Fuel Capacity: 4.9 gallons
    Color: Candy Red
    Curb Weight: 591 lbs (VFR1200F) / 613 lbs (VFR1200F with Dual Clutch Automatic Transmission)*
    *Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel–ready to ride.

    That DCT alone was accurately described as a 'Paradigm Shift'.

    The VFR wasn't named the best track bike, it was named the best overall bike. I mean we did have a HD in the mix as well...
     


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    My bad! I was more pointing out how many folks have slammed the bike before riding it.

    But as I've said before this happens every time. And I feel that as an owner of a first gen as well as a sixth gen I've got *some* credibility on that call...

    Still to each her/his own.

    ^_^

    (100th post - celebrate the little victories in life!)
     
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    I'm just worried that if I'm the 3rd person in line to ride the thing, there might not be enough fuel left to get me back. :whoo::tclaw:

    that was a softball to you billy :joker:
     


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    LMAO!!!!

    That's the big issue I have with it too - that 170 mile range is not too pretty IMHO.
     


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    we have history bickering back and forth about the fuel can. Since billy's an ardent supporter and lover of the 7gen, I can't resist poking the bear a little.

    Still, how do you call it a sport "touring" with that little range? Get the range a bit over 200, adjust the looks a little, give me a different color option, and I might be a fan. I would really like to try out that transmission.
     


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    Its still garbage compaired to the S1000RR which has a 5lbs ABS system 5lbs! New traction control, don't see the 7gen with that and its supposed to be a sport tourer.. ROFL a super sport bike that has more comfort and safety riding then the "Advanced" sport tourer 7 gen. It has lower CC's and puts out more HP.. its ECU is smarter. Lets see.. I don't want balls to the walls so I'll set it to Street.. Well I am at the track, I guess I'll put it in Race Mode.. Its raining, so I'll put it in rain. S1000RR won Bike of the Year with Motorrad Magazine, Motorcycleinsurance.com, Motorcycle.com rated S1000RR #5 over all and #1 in sport bikes and VFR1200 came in #28 in sport bikes (donno over all I stopped looking past #40), plus its better looking and cheeper with all the gadgets vs the 7gen with all its gadgets and its BMW :p'
    You praise the Auto tranny, but its sheer lazyness to have it. If you don't like shifting gears get a scooter. If you want the feel of being in control of your bike, get manual tranny. <insert Tink saying something about how drag cars with auto tranny are faster> My Lotus wasn't automatic and was arguably the best handling/cornering four wheeler on the road.
     


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    Well I guess this is one of the ways in which we differ.

    We of the United Athiest League feel that the best bike should be a "game changer" and when you put a paddle shift - like the kind you find on such lazy cars such as the Ferrari 599, Aston Martin Vanquish, et. al. - and do it sucessfully that = game changer in my opinion.

    Looking at a couple of the other bikes in this contest:

    H-D Electra Glide is on a new chassis and has a ton of features that *cruiser bikers want*. It's an Evolution...not a Revolution.

    BMW S1000 gives true race bike perfomance with BMW quality & reliability. Tons of power & a hoot to ride. Possible Revolution (definately as far as BMW is concerned!) but it's not a 'game changer'.

    Honda Fury - see BMW S1000 in terms of Revolution but it's not a 'game changer'.

    VFR1200 - DCT w/ paddle shift = game changer. When an auto tranny can mimic the best of a manual (in terms of performance...not the joy of pulling a clutch/shifting a stick) while still retaining the ease of an automatic tranny? That's a game changer in any industry. And when you have that for the first time on a major motorcycle? *Definately* a game-changer.

    Just as the cross-plane crank shaft may well be a game-changer in the world of I-4 motors, the DCT looks likely to be a game-changer across the two wheeled world. As the paddle shift tranny has made it's way from Ferrari in F1 down to the 599/DB7s of the world and eventually down to cars like the Pontiac GTP so it may be with the DCT eventually becoming common fare across the motorcycle landscape.


    And THAT is a game-changer.


    woot.
     


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    well said revengel
     


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    Your unwillingness to accept anything new is the same reason Harley has made itself irrelevant. Now they're trying to play catch up. You can't even argue the technology, only that you "don't like it". And that sir, to me, sounds lazy.
     


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    I think it's funny that every gen had a bit of an Achilles heel but the arguement against the 7 gen is "I don't wanna give up my clutch." I'll be damned if the technology has proven itself in every other motor sport as superior.

    top end issues, electrical issues, gears and chains, vtec transitions..... oh yea, I don't wanna give up my clutch. maybe something will develop down the road as an Achilles heel on the 7 gen too. But you have to applaud Honda for bringing something new to the table.
     


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    Paddle shifters are still not the same as automatics but its my personal preferance of Manual Transmissions. I don't think its Game changers as you put it, more like other options. Paddle shifters have been out for a while and most companies that make sports cars haven't adopted it. The new Evo has an option for paddle shifters but meh.. we won't see any actual race ready bikes with auto trannies for a very long time. Its bound to happen though as race regulations are slowly getting stricter and people are becomming overall lazier.
    So enjoy your auto tranny.. and be sure to get a cup holder installed on your tank for your double shot mocha latte.
    And your inability to make just one reply post is baffling rofl.. not liking something isn't lazy its being stubborn. Being lazy is not having to think about holding in the clutch and shifting with your toe at the right moment and RPMs while also keeping alert and calculating the up comming obsticles. You guys are so quick to jump on this new technology but its nothing more than a gimic to get you into an ugly heavy bike thats trying to pass off as a VFR. So tell me sir, how many generations of iphones have you gone through yet ;)
     


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    Right, that's gotta be it. I find sports to be much more entertaining as the players get lazier. Personally I think we should shorten the length of the football field and basketball court so folks don't have to run so far. My eyes get tired just watching them run across the screen.
     


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    Shit dood, you ever watch the jetsons?! They just float around on hover boots.. j/k Look at what they are doing to F1 racing as an example to what I ment.
     


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    I heard revengel is some kind of girlyman hairdo thing that takes care of really bad cowlicks. ;)

    Good to hear that F1 racing is going to shit too because Sea Otter thinks it is. Last time I looked the track record at Mazda (Laguna Seca) was held by an F1 car and is fourteen seconds faster than any bike run there. Go figure takes on a new dimension on that one.

    Somebody famous once said, "Ignorance is bliss." Naaa, ignorance is just ignorance.
     


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    For a decade F1 cars had run with 3.0 litre naturally-aspirated V10 engines, but in an attempt to slow the cars down, the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) mandated that as of the 2006 season, the cars must be powered by 2.4 litre naturally-aspirated engines in the V8 engine configuration that have no more than four valves per cylinder. Further technical restrictions such as a ban on variable intake trumpets have also been introduced with the new 2.4 L V8 formula to prevent the teams from achieving higher rpm and horsepower too quickly. As of the start of the 2009 season all engines are now limited to 18,000 rpm in an effort to improve engine reliability and to cut costs down in general.
     


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