Here's How I See It

Seen the new VFR in the bike mags. In one word, FUGLY!!!. What's with the camel hump on the fuel tank?? Why are the manufacturers all horned up on those triangular exhaust cans? Looks totally ridicular. Methinks the designers are whacked out on something.(and it ain't the good stuff)

 

These "reviews" consisting of sitting on any bike and not riding it are about a valid as comparing waxing the carrot to actually putting a carrot in a salad.

Kudos to chef BZ for this analogy.

 

The same thing was said about the 6th generation VFR when it came out. It looked FUGLY! Even I thought it was ugly until a few years passed and now I even own one! I just think that people have a propensity to complain about anything and everything that is not 100% what they envisioned.

Flame on...

 

If Honda got out front and let everyone ride one, then what would happen to all the "reviewers" who form opininons by just sittiing on one of the bikes. That just doesn't seem fair. LOL.. Look at the upside and think positive. Many moons ago I sold bikes for a now large dealership in Houston. The owner was an asshole but he could sure spot the looky-losers who spent most of thier Saturdays cruising bike shops for one reason or another and never bought a damn thing. Same deal now. They got most of you dudes with nothing more than opinions pegged. What ya gotta do is at least try to look like you are a buyer and not make faces like you just stepped in a pile of dogshit when you are trying to cage a ride on a dealers merchandise.

An alternative is to fall to the floor cursing and screaming, holding your breath until you turn blue and flailing and kicking. This may or may not work. Some dealers may just have the guys in back toss your ass out the door or the sales guy will call the dudes in the white coats who have the big nets.

LIke I always say. it's great to have choices.

 

We are all selling something including the dudes who are trying to sell opinions about something that they have only seen or sat on. If we were talking recliner chairs then yep. But we ain't, so I am calling BS on the opinions.

Harley stock is in the toilet. Triumph is run by John Bloor and he is one sharp dude. The big black van was partially the idea here by Mark Pfenning who was US Sales Manager and who now sets up Triumph dealerships in the US. The hole in your latest is that not just anyone can walk in a cage a ride on one of these bikes. If this were the case there would be sixteen year olds from coast to coast doing the Saturday Boogie on liter class GSXR's.

Mark was national sales dude with Avon before Triumph. He was also prez of my bike club and we go back twenty years. Fast dude too. The last time I saw Mark was at SportBikeNorthWest on the Columbia River, Took a ride on a Triumph Thruxton.

If you are judging your experience with "Jap" dealers by your local Honda dealer, this is just not enough evidence to convict or cut loose. Then again, maybe you are one of those dudes who spends his Saturdays and days off cruising bike shops and getting turned down when trying to get a free ride.

Like I always say, It's great to have all the excuses when pinned to the matl. So how are sales? Have you tried bikes? If you do and ol KC shows up someday be sure and post the results if you don't call in the dudes with the nets who wear the blue coats.

 

If you are really going on some self induced guilt trip over the sale or no sale of one bike, your best bet is to hop on whaterver you have that is running and has a big enough tank and head out to the next Superbike or Moto-GP and ride all the stuff they have to ride on a real racetrack. Short of that I will see if I can find you a leather jacket lined with hair.

I think too that most folks know the difference between what is on those bigass vans full of bikes and what they are for. What might not be so well known is that the dealers buy the bikes from the manufacturers to re-sell them. IOW they own the bikes and if they so choose to designate one as a demo and take a little loss when it's got a few miles on it or just toss it in the nearest frogpond. It's thiers to do with whatever they want. This includes making decisions on who will and who will not get a demo ride.

Them whats don't, used to be called "hummers."

The positive side of all this is that now if someone posts, "This hummer dude was waxing his carrot", our friends across the various ponds will know exactly what we are talking about.

 

That's just my opinion on how the bike looks.It might be the best handling bike ever. I don't know because I haven't ridden one. I just don't like how it looks, some might find it attractive. If I was to shell out the kind of cash they want for a new bike, it better look good to me. No flaming here, just opinions, and everyone is entitled to his/her own...

 

LOL! I do like boobs and oatmeal cream pies, and I own a 1st gen.

 

You guys are looking at this the wrong way. I know most of you guys don't like me & to be perfectly honest, I couldn't give a crap. The overall thing here is VERY simple, I am a consumer. Honda makes a product to sell to consumers, meaning me, you, him, her, etc. Their job is to make a product to sell to a consumer. My job, as the consumer, is to buy the product if it appeals to me. This product does not based on all the criteria I've mentioned. If Honda wants to entice me to buy their product, they need to meet my criteria. They did not suceed. IF Honda revamps the product to meet my criteria, I would buy one.

So, instead of labeling me as a Debbie Downer or Negative Nancy, re-read what I wrote. I am entitled to my opinion. Just as all of you are. I like Honda. I prefer Honda's. If I am to buy a new bike, I would like it to be a Honda. Honda failed to meet my standards so I will not buy their product. This spreads over their entire line-up. The only bike Honda currently makes that I would buy would be the CBR600RR. If I were to buy one, it would be for track use & MSF/Sport Bike coaching. Since my life is ever changing, the money I had set aside to buy a toy car or classic bike has been re-allocated to for a major life-changing event. I simply do not have the cash to spend on what will be primarily a toy. My VFR is an all-purpose bike so it will have to suffice for now. Had the new VFR appealed to me, I would have most likely purchased one.

Hate on me all you want, but that's the bottom line cause KC-10 FE said so.

KC-10 FE out...
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HEY! I LOVED the 1st Gen! I would have had my 1st Gen longer if the guy behind me at that red light had been looking out his front windshield instead of at his newspaper...

 

You probably have me IGNORED and won't be reading this**............... but KC, i've never agreed with you more than on the VFR 1200 issue !

Factor in large development/tooling costs to produce a new model along with marketplace failures like the VFR 1200, the DN-01, now the NT 700......American Honda may be losing money in bucketsful on the poor sellers.

And the Big Boy has --NO centerstand, WTF ??


** Now that Bush is back in Texas where he always belonged, it's no longer any issue, eh ?

 

OMG, I hope KC is not having one of "those" life changing operations! If a new person shows up with the handle "Chastity", be aware. Then again, this forum does need a competent reviewer of togs for the distaff.

To really get a handle on who in the motorcycle biz is doing well and who ain't, check the NYSE. Sure beats the shit out of some dude's opinion that is mostly hormonal..

 

NOW I understand your avatar... I was feeling rather dense. :biggrin:

 

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