Hi all, I am very new to v four, I have 85 vf700, I took the carbs out cleaned them as I want to remount, I keep loosing the idle screw springs, I dont know anymore how the linkages line up so the springs stay there. Is there a place I can go to see the carb setup pictures? any help will be resolving my problem. Thank you all
"Screwed the pooch" is the operative phrase, right TC ?? Dude's help and salvation is the official Honda service manual, which should have been studied in depth b4 the operation began.....
Hi thank you for your encouraging words, I dont have a workshop manual, I have done more critical repairs on my other bikes and cars, I did not think it would be this tricky if any one knows what I am talking about I am sure someone will tell me the trick to mount the carb the right way. I am relying on the group of knowledgeable people in this forum,
Hi are you telling me it would be easier with the manifold on? may be it is the trick to hold the carb together may be?
Jake's right on. The carbs should NOT have been removed from the manifold. They are to be removed and serviced as a complete assembly and not individually. Reinstall the carbs to the plate, get all the springs installed properly, and check for lfuel eaks on the fuel rail and float bowls before wasting time trying to install the assembly on the motor. Jump on ebay, spend the $30bucks, and get the factory service manual.
You need to assemble the carbs and manifold on the bench , when the manifold is off you must be very careful with them as damage to the tubes ,bodies, and linkage can happen all too easily. After they are reassembled check all you linkage for proper operation including the choke linkage rods and forks.When you install them put the front two carbs in the boots and lift the rear two boots up to meet the carbs half way and push them on. Here is a crappy pic of boots. http://vfrworld.com/forums/mechanics-garage/22449-cleaning-carbs.html#post170054
Hi all, thank you for the great suggestion, it works, there is always the first time for anything we do, but with the help of people like this group, ends up with fun. thank you all again
There are online manuals you can download in .pdf and print out or use on a laptop for help with the bike. You'll have to do some hunting cause pages move quite frequently due to bandwidth restrictions. Don't mind the "I told you so's" and "Oh no you didn't"s from the guys here, they've been there and it's their way of feeling sorry for you :tongue: Don't feel bad about having issues with it. I didn't think that it would be that much of an issue and I already HAD and studied both the shop manual, repair manual and honda general repair manuals! Out of everything that could possibly be done on the V4, doing a carb clean/rebuild on a Gen 1 or 2 VFR seems to be one of the trickiest jobs to take on. Parts are very scarce and unless you've got the proper resources available (this forum is a big one) then your pretty much screwed from the get go. I just recently saw an ad on Craigslist where a guy bought an '84 500 and tried to do a carb clean on it but messed it up to the point that he just gave up and wanted to part the bike out. Prob nothing else wrong with it, but he couldn't do it for whatever reason and was selling it for $800! Wish I had the cash on me cause I would have snatched that up in a heartbeat! Anyways, if you want to see my struggles with the carbs (and there were plenty over the past few months) check out my thread: http://vfrworld.com/forums/1st-2nd-generation-1983-1989/29030-my-1st-carb-rebuild-has-begun-86-vfr750.html There are some pics of the job I was doing, not sure if there's one of the carb upside down. I know what you mean about the springs popping off. Seems that after 24 yrs they tend to lose their rates and can't do the job they are supposed to do. I replaced all of the sync screw springs on mine by getting a bag of springs from the hardware store and matching the length (Honda wanted WAY too much for the original springs). Good luck, don't give up and ask plenty of Q's. Thats what everyone is on here for, and without their help and guidance I wouldn't have gotten my bike done and be enjoying her like I am. Thanks again, guys (and gals)!
Good luck, don't give up and ask plenty of Q's. Thats what everyone is on here for, and without their help and guidance I wouldn't have gotten my bike done and be enjoying her like I am. Thanks again Hi thank you I belong to few forums for my cars and bikes so I am very familiar to group reaction, most everyone wants to help in their way, you have to get the one that works for you, ,I have done many carbe on different bike except V four, now it is on the bike Ill move to the second faze. thanks to all responded to my help call
If you were on a mission to outer space and you took apart a piece of your spaceship and did not use your WORKSHOP MANUAL it would cost you your life and maybe the other crew members too. Working on any engine is NOT a "WE CAN DO THIS" kind of deal. Like a matrix group. Working on an engine is a "YOU WILL HAVE TO DO IT " kind of deal. I hate to be hard on you, but this is something someone forgot to teach you. In the military EVERY piece of equipment has a WORKSHOP MANUAL that is CHAINED to that piece of equipment. An airplane mechanic must consult a book BEFORE working on the airplane to see who else may be working on that plane at any given time BEFORE working on it. A pilot has a small code book in the windshield pocket that they consult BEFORE they take an action to save the plane. You cannot work on ANYTHING and do serious work before getting a WORKSHOP MANUAL. Knowledge IS power. LAwyers are very powerful. WHY because they know all the rules and laws. But they had to READ them. They had to study them in books. I hope this makes you mad just enough you say to yourself "I am not going to be without the right info on a job in the future."
Point taken, you make a good point I did not approach this matter very seriously, my problem got to be bigger as I disassembled the carb, and got involved with other things for long time and that did it to me, however you are right Manual is the salvation #one. thank you for the advise.
Yes I have had to learn that lesson too. These carb sets for the Generation 1 (VF1000f, VF1000R and the Magna and Sabre's) etc., are probably the WORST design I have seen!! Plastic fuel tubes, A particular order of assembly and disassembly, springs that can just fall out, and almost impossible installation procedure the worst!!! Not a beginners project. I think all owners would gladly trade a better manifold and single carb for 3 hp.,loss. And I am still thinking about the two carb idea. But one carb is my goal. I have worked on motorcycles most of my life and these carbs are a real pain in the a.... HONDA needs to get motorcycle people back into the motorcycle design dept. NOT people that grew up with plastic transformer toys!!! We want motorcycles that are easy to repair, powerful,rugged, and not a toy. There is no reason to wrap a motorcycle frame all around the engine and make it a nightmare to work on. It saves almost no weight and those cheap aluminum frames will be history before they can even make history. Do you think Harley Davidson would have sold any V RODS with a cheap aluminum frame that can get tweaked with just a minor parking lot ding. NO The new HONDA FURY chopper is the first thing they did right and now they have introduced the HONDA 750 updated bike in JAPAN. And that will be a hit too and be competetive with any sportbike and no water cooling. Water cooling is for touring bikes.
Don't hold anything back Donald, it's not healthy to keep that kind of stress bottle up. Just tell us how you really feel! I remember saying the same thing to my dad about the carbs. 4 carbs wedged in there and for what? A stinking V8 runs off 1 carb and in high performance drag strip operations folks might put a second carb on a highrise manifold. I haven't figured out why there couldn't be 2 carbs on there and still get the same performance. I'm sure someone will educate me - the inline 4's had the same thing and you have to figure it would have been cheaper to use a manifold and 1 or 2 carbs.....
You are right TINKERNw STUFF. They wanted more power is all. But there are other considerations. Like ease of maintenience, COST to maintain. When I first tried two 36mm Keihins it started right up and idled better than these 4 carbs ever have. The only reason I went back to the stock carbs is because needles were not available for the 36mm Keihins. Now I have been waiting for one MONTH !!!!! to get four jet needles. And no one seems to have them in stock. DEALERS have NO interest in old bike parts . They just want to sell an new $7000-20,000 bike and put us into debt and then collect a check every month for YEARS!!! This is a depression people. You have cut our wages down for YEARS and now this is the price you pay for having no customers. Workers have no money to buy the products they help to manufacture. That is the ones that still have manufacturing jobs.
