Starter Clutch Not the problem

ok...so I look at the thread regarding the starter clutch and I decide to spend $200.00 at my local Honda dealer for parts mentioned in the Starter clutch thread on this site...

I open up the right cover and take the starter clutch apart to find......that its in fine condition!!!! No issues , no cracks , no loose bolts, etc

Gave me a chance to examine the clutch...its all good as well....plates are almost new and above spec, springs are above spec...I think its a Barnett

So.....any ideas what my bike is still hard to start.

What about the stator? How do I know if its bad?

Starter motor?

Rectifier has been replaced as well


WTF?

 

What is it doing when you try to start it???? more info..

 

You really shouldn't have ordered all of those parts without an internal look-see first; just the side cover gasket and perhaps the 3 plunger springs. Often there are no cracks in the clutch; as in my case it is often simply one or more of those very cheap plunger springs (look like the springs inside of a pen) fatiguing. Assuming it is indeed starter clutch-related, take out the 3 plunger springs and lay them side by side. If they are of varying length you have found your problem.
Very inexpensive to replace. If your bike is a '91 and with more than 25,000 miles I would be surprised if the springs weren't shot.

 

Give us the low down man. We need more information.... all that you can give us. Which bike, what its doing, what you've looked at, pics, etc. etc. The more you give the more and better we can try to help.

 

Ok... the bike is a 91 vfr 750f

Its making an incredible shrieking noise when starting.

The bike starts...but shut it off and try to restart and the noise is like a shriek!!! If it didn't catch in the first place...I have never had a bike that makes this bizarre sound!!

I have juice in the battery...I checked the springs with the new ones I purchased and they are of the same length.

I am not angry because I bought the parts as I am sure I will use them eventually and it was a good experience to see whats inside the cover.

 

Did you put the starter clutch back in properly???? There is a washer behind it that tends to fall out.

 

There must be a defect in the starter clutch, I have a spare if you want to try another.

 

It sounds like you haven't replaced the starter clutch yet with the new parts that you've received. I'd suggest replacing it anyways since you already have the parts.

 

Have u checked the starter teeth and the solenoid? A missing tooth on the starter. will have the same effect.

 

He said he checked the springs , but the rollers can wear the carrier unevenly sometimes and cause problems.

 

Thats a good idea...I'll replace the old parts with the new parts I bought and let all know what is going on.


BTW...Where is the solenoid?

 

Wheres the solenoid? I think the starter teeth in the same case and they looked fine...connected to the gear and no visible signs of wear.

 

I'll see if I can get you pics

 

Actually, I do believe I have had some trouble reinserting one of the rollers in the carrier!

 

ok...so I examined the starter clutch by taking the cover off once again and found something bent where the pin that one is supposed to move from the old starter and put it in the new starter. ( according to the instructions is the thread).

Toecutter...youre awesome...i dont know how you knew but i am amazed!!!!!

Anyhow I went to remove the pin to place it in the starter and had a hell of a time...finally it fell and rolled away on my uneven and snow covered drive way....damn!!!

How important is that pin and can I reassemble without it?

or should I go back to Honda and order that pin?

thanks,

David

BTW While trying to start the bike....it was blowing a big fart sound...pa POW???????

 

Not sure which pin you are refering to, but all are needed and the the little one that locates the hub and the clutch frame sets the engine timing from the crank to the pick up coils.If it is one of the three the springs are pushing on then just replace with the best of the old ones.

 

"Can I just put together anyway" Um huh.

 

Its not one of the pins connected to the springs. I bought new springs and rollers.

its the old pin about the same size as the one that is connected to the springs. It needs to be pushed out of the housing with a screwdriver.

Anyhow...I found it and it went it quite easy.


I will put it together tonight with all the new parts and let you all know what happens.

BTW..... I hear the fuel pump /relay clicking away...is this normal?

 

Folks...I replaced the starter clutch with the new one and the bike starts easier and no more funny noises.

Still hard to start but not as hard...what a strange bike...definitely not a Kawi!