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New Ohio Bill = Say goodbye to your bike

Discussion in 'Anything Goes' started by FearIsGood, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. mello dude

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    I wrote to my state senator about this bill - I think when you write to your senator, you have to dance a fine line between saying that you reject any form of street racing, but the section 3 in the bill goes too far as to say a single vehicle can be labeled "street racing" if the the LEO decides you did an excessive display of speed or accelleration. Also its dangerous in the possibility if you are riding with a few buddies and the group is working the twists. So I wrote to support the bill, but asked to delete section 3 or have clarification.----- I think if you just petition for a total rejection, that would look like you are pro street racing and then it would backfire and guarantee passage.

    Here is my senator's response-----
    I received your e-mail expressing your support for House Bill 191, which would increase the penalties for street racing. I appreciate you taking the time to contact me on this issue.
    House Bill 191 has been assigned to the Senate Judiciary Criminal Justice Committee where it will undergo further debate. Please know I value your suggestions and look forward to working with my colleagues should this legislation come before me in the Ohio Senate.

    Again, thank you for your e-mail. I encourage you to contact me should you have additional concerns on this or any other issue facing Ohio .

    Sincerely,
    Jon A. Husted
    Senator
    6th District
     


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  2. havcar

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    I'm finding one more item and its definition quite vague and troublesome. How does an officer (or anyone else for that matter) define what the "normal operational parameters" are for any given vehicle. Does that mean that whilst driving a Ferrari or an Aprilia that the law is applied differantly than it would be applied to someone driving a Gremlin? It has to be, otherwise, the gentleman in the Ferrari is going to show up to court saying that the car can only accelerate so slowly without a stall (true) which "looks" quite fast compared to a Tercel, leaving the court in a quandry as to its verdict. A guilty verdict would imply a ban on any vehicle that the state and its officers deem too fast to fit in the definition of state "exhibition" law. Obviously you can not tell an American citizen what type of car he can and can't own, as long as the car falls under federal safety guidelines. This too is open to challenge based on the scope of its wording.

    The other piece that basically leaves open, the ability of the state to press charges against anyone whom takes part in said behavior, especially where personal comment and or the internet are involved, is a 1st amendment nightmare for the prosecution. I can't believe that Ohio would actually want any part of this. They must assume that most, simply don't have the resources to defend themselves.

    I think that Mellos approach is the right way to go about it, but I really wouldn't be afraid (not saying you are) to point out what kind of headaches the state are potentially creating for themselves. It could very well be worth time and resources to start up a pooled fund, and hire an attorney with experience in these matters to write a proper letter to all members of the house and senate, representing all concernes for everyone involved. Then perhaps have him or her speak for all of you (as many people as you can) when the bill is open for discussion.
     


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  3. NorcalBoy

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    Where are all the California haters talkin' all their smack about how our elected officials are screwing everybody else by their legislation? This is a bad precedent, hopefully for the rest of us, it only makes it as far as Ohio if it does get legislated into law.
     


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    Anybody remember Florida, the sunny place that, in it's holy war against street racing, now has a $1000 fine for an oddly placed tag? This isn't about enforcement, it's about the state making a buck. If this travesty becomes law, especially with the revenue potential noted earlier, I suspect a dramatic increase in enforcement against out of state peeps who for whatever reason, can't fight the charges in court. Anybody wanna bet against? I think this is gonna become law and am already setting up my GPS and MS Streets and Trips to count the entire state as a detour.
     


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  5. mello dude

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    Some idiot was drunk and headed out in his "tuner car" and went drag racing, lost control, crashed, got killed and hit a girl who is still in a coma. The parents of the girl are on the warpath. Cant blame them, but the bill is overkill.

    MD
     


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    ^^^^^

    Thanks MD, I knew it was 'something'.

    BZ
     


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    Wrapup on this -

    - Sub. H. B. No. 191As Passed by the House

    Common sence actually prevailed and the senate revised the bill - It deletes the part about "excessive display" of speed or acceleration within normal operation parameters and takes the intrepration away from the LEOs - a good thing. Also if you are solo, the bill doesnt pertain to you anymore. If your a moron and do street race, and then use NO2 in the act, you are still in deep do and can forfeit your bike/car.

    -I'm breathing a sigh of relief, my twisty road jaunts are still ok now... :cool: - well for other than the possible speeding ticket......


    - Jeez all the noise bike and car enthusiasts to their state senators actually worked.

    MD
     


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    Good to see reason win out. Tha't not always the case with people who consider themselves reasonable.
     


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    Can one still use N02 in the privacy of thier owh home? If so, you guys can probably thank the dairy farmers for that.
     


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    It has always been illegal to have speed displays,wheelies etc., but now the cops are having to tighten up because no one wants to pay attention.

    When I was 16 it was illegal- and now it is STILL illegal. If you want to race ,go fast do wheelies tricks etc.,. go to a track or safe area.

    There is a lot more bike accidents now and if it continues the insurance companies will just raise rates. Only the wealthy will be able to afford to ride bikes.

    Is that what you want? A sport like sailing, that costs so much that only the wealthy can afford it?

    The problem is that before you could sneak in a little here and there when the coast was clear. BUT NOW with cell phones being relatively new(believe it) all those people that do not like motorcycle can call the CHP when they see you showing off your wheelie on the freeway.

    It is sort of dangerous too . What if you get a little out of shape. then you can fall and get run over.

    They do not like to make new laws but they get forced into it when citizens report all the tricks and other stuff out on the freeways.
     


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    No doubt, but what would our "elected law makers" do if not to create new redundant laws. I guess they'd have to go back to working part time and return to the farm and earn a real living. It's like the new cell phone anti texting laws.... destracted driving has always been illegal
     


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    The new law may have had some redundant parts but the nitrous part is new.
    Cell phones are a danger too. And texting is worse because it takes more concentration.
    I have actually been riding and had a car drive over the centerline head on at me and the driver had their head down looking at a cell phone. It was not until I honked that they WOKE UP!!! It can cost you your life!!!

    Make your calls before or after you get on the road people!!!
     


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    Point being - distracted driving was already illegal just like racing was already illegal. Does it really matter if you're using NOS or not? Targeting NOS makes about as much sense as gun laws do. Racing is racing whether you have NOS or not, having a vehicle equiped with NOS doesn't make a criminal I say.
     


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    I agree. And it is not LAW until the House and the Senate vote.
     


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