Bubba Z’ lamentations on idiotic motorcycle mods

+1. So far, my 1198 is a much faster bike but, I am much faster on my VFR. Go figure.

 

ok lets back up.
again if you want to go fast you must start by going slow, picking good lines.
hanging off has no use on the street IMO, best to stay centered on the bike and work on your lines and not crossing into the other lane.

On the RACE TRACK when you are at the extreme level of what the bike can do, then yes you have to hang off as you see on the TV.

That should clear it up.

 

I think what 02 is trying to say is ride "The Pace".

http://vfrworld.com/forums/anything-goes/27964-pace-awesome-read.html#post228606

 

IMO, it can depend on where these "streets" are. A scoot to downtown Seattle whether by the slab or city streets for a cuppa and some fox watching is no place to do anything but be as defensive and observant as is possible. The theory here is "Live long and Prosper" and keep your eye on a whopping bunch of cagers who are sightseeing or BS'ing on one or more handhelds.

In another scenario. I have digs in Coastal Oregon where in mid week there are stretches of road for 50-60 miles and not a cager is sight, unlimited visibility, very little chance of a LEO on the prowl and maybe a school or three and several years saddle time under my belt and you are stating flat that hanging off is not to be done because of perhaps a misinterpretation of what is taught by a guy who was so bloody fast that most of us would leave skid marks in our skivvies if we even tried to keep up.

Sort of bottom line here is that if we followed all the "safe" things we "should" do all the time it would be, I'm afraid, very boring.

While true in instances of using math, it's impossible to do most operations without fundamental arithmetic. Riding a bike is a bit different.

I submit that with just a small effort and in several search engines one might find pix of the very fast aforementioned dude hanging off.

 

Once again, it would be more germane to define "street (s)" We could back up to the first day of a well equipped MSF newby riders course where even a Harleydood or two is pushing around a KawaHondYamaZuki.

Finding that most bikes in the last twenty years (me 91 included) if well maintained with TLC and some selective wrenching can outperform most dudes who think otherwise. Yep, this includes me too..

Great stuff by NI with PACE.. What is not there is when Nick speaks of the real PACE he is talking about keeping it under 80. NI is another of those " You are going to leave a skidmark, if you try to keep up" guys.

 

Yeah, I think I understand O2's points. But sometimes a guy has to have a little fun . . . .

 

Oh absolutely, no denying. But with great skill comes great responsibility. :tongue: Or so they say.

Now back to topic. :frown:

 

sorry Bubba, I did not realize one comment would highjack the whole thread.
oh lets add de-linking the brakes as well.

 

I still think that hanging off a bit on the mountain twisties doesn't hurt since it reduces the lean angle of the bike. I completely agree with riding as "The Pace" describes, but if hanging off a bit isn't deletirious, why not help the bike get through the curves more happilly? If one sits with ass in the saddle through the curves, one may scrape hard parts, which would definitely risk ending the pace.

 

True.. true.. My question is how much hang off is good hang off?

1) Toe
2) Knee
3) Elbow
4) Ah fck it! I wanna twirl my nuts today! :tongue:

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I choose option 2. Done option 4 a couple of times and it aint nice.

 

I agree, this entire thread sucks err.., is "lamentable."

:biggrin:

 

^^^^^^

last post off title subject.

what I am saying is A) hanging off doesn't help you pick good lines and feel what you bike is doing under you.
B). If your knee is not dragging on the ground, then you are really not allowing the bike to be more upright in the corner your weight is still carried by the bike. ( go thru corner w/ hanging off then again same speed with out have someone take a picture of both ) again knee not on the ground. The differance is only a few degrees.

anyway I am not saying Dont hang off, but if you want to go faster then try not to hang off and feel what the bike is doing under you.


Sorry again brother Bubba. > will start a riding tech thread.

 

Your weight is always on the bike, it's the center of mass that changes when hanging off. Hanging off should not replace picking appropriate lines, it should accompany it.

If hanging off didn't help, every racer would have their ass in the saddle.

 

No worries, the thread goes were it goes.

BZ

 

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I don't think he meant it like that Jaime. He is not saying hanging off is the wrong thing to do. You will agree too that hanging off is incorrect if one is not good at picking lines. Basically, he is trying to state that it is also possible to enjoy a spirited ride without hanging off. This is not one of those do i need to counter-steer type of things? :biggrin:

Man this repeated use of the words "hanging off" is causing my marble sack to hurt. :tongue: