Supertech ST7317 Oil Filter v Supertech ST7137

Hiya gang,

So, off to the abyss known to many as the Pinellas Park Super Wal Mart I go in search of this elusive Oil Filter known to some here on VFR World as the Supertech ST 7317. I was all excited to get a good deal, and who doesn't love to get one one those?

I get to the aisle where all the filters are, scanning...more scanning...and thinking I had found it, I rejoiced and exclaimed, "three smacks! that's a deal!"...

But much to my disappointment, I saw that the ST7317 that I wanted was a ST7137...YES: ST Seven One Three Seven (ST7137). So, gruffly I wander over to the oil section, and although I was happy to learn that the Shell Rotella 15/40 was only 11 bucks a gallon, the Rotella Synthetic was 19 bucks a gallon, and the Chevron Delo was a mere 10.50 for a gallon. But this didn't assuage my anger.

I've thought about this and have either concluded that the ST7137 is the part and everyone on the internet has dyslexia or that some imbecile at Supertech like to play jokes with their numbering system and have easily-confused part numbers. I'm a bit skeptical of this scenario as the shelving at Wal Mart did not have a label for the ST7317. The one before the 7137 was like ST6610 or something.

Maybe one of the fine gentleman here can help to give me some guidance. This will be my first oil change on a motorcycle. I've done scads of them on cars, so I have some sense (not much) about be - I hope! :crazy:

Most thanks to all that lend a hand. If this is the wrong spot to do this thread, tell me, as I am also a n00b to VFR World.

Derek

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This will probably draw flames, but bite the bullet and go get a Honda filter. I dont trust a $3.00 WalMart filter. Remember the oil not only does the engine but also the clutches. I say use a quality filter and oil if for no other reason than piece of mind.

by the way...check this thread ** http://vfrworld.com/forums/fifth-ge...-attack.html?highlight=yellow+black+attackand ** and add yourself the the yellow brotherhood.

 

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Agreed, and I am also considering the K&N filter. I don't need all the hassle of chasing filters from Wal Mart to Wal Mart. I can get the K&N for 7 smacks and I expected to pay 17 for the oil. Maybe that'll leave me enough leftover bread to get a bottle of Bud Lite!

My biggest concern with filters is the particle size it can filter out. 10 Microns seems to be a good filter. I know you said get he Honda, but how do you feel about the K&N? GO or NOGO? Is wish it was BOGO! If it kills my Veef...I'll need a POGO...oh my...I better go-go

Ok, serious time...thanks for the sound advice and I am off to the Yellow and Black attack in just a sec!

ZOOM

 

I did my first VFR oil change yesterday at 182 miles on the ODO, I picked up a Bosch 3323 which I have used one previous bikes with no issues. You can get them at most auto stores like Auto Zone. the 3323 is a longer filter so it is kind of difficult to get in there...I might go with the 3300 next time which is the same length as the honda filter. As for the Supertech filter, my wal-mart was out yesterday, I was going to use it since I am planning to change my oil again in another 300.

 

Please dont take me wrong about this subject. For some reason this is a hard
concept for even smart guys to understand. So many of us go off and buy a $10k bike or a $25-30k car.And where do you find us,in the k mart or wal mart auto section buying the "on special" oil and filter for their expensive car and bike. People will drop several
thousand dollars on their ride but when it comes to important components, they will
scrimp for pennies. In the long run, buying quality components will amount to very little compared to an engine or transmission job due to using sub par components. Derek,I am happy that you are seeing the light,now go install those good high quality components on your scoot,it will make you feel better. eddie

 

eddie, what do you consider high quality? I mean the Honda filter is likely not any better than a Bosch or Purolator, etc.

Once my bike is broken in I will continue to use the Bosch filter unless I learn otherwise, but will switch from Valvoline oil to a full synthetic...possibly Mobil 1-4t although I'm sure there is something better in that price range.

 

Actually I believe the Supertech filter is highly reccomended.

Motorcycle Oil and Filters

 

Ok,

I agree totally with Eddie Cap (I'm a former 2001 BMW 330ci owner and I know the value of quality care), and if I had an unlimited budget, I'd spend it all. I've only recently purchased this machine (for 2 grand - got a steal on it), and my budget it tight.

I am interested in the Engine ICE as discussed on another thread, and I have to change out the oil. I've already replaced the chain, the brakes have to be done, and so do the tires. Of course, we need to be aware that there is a balance as well as diminishing returns.

My original reason for this thread was that when I popped into Wal Mart, the filter that seems so popular here was nonexistent there. I could have bought all the ST7137's I wanted, but the ST7317 is not an option. The real issue is filtration efficiency, and I recognize this as the reality of things.

If I spend 3 bucks on a filter that can't do the job, why? I just wasted 3 clams...but if I spend 6, 8 or 10...or even 15 that does the task well, then I made a good choice and my engine (and long term reliability) will be the beneficiary of my sound thinking.

So yes, I agree that the mindset of "penny wise, pound foolish" is, well, foolishness. I think I'm off to Autozone to see what's going on there. Thanks to pjm204 as well for his suggestion about the Bosch.

Let the Oil (filter) wars begin! I love to stir the $hit Pot! Hehehe

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guys, I dont have any real test results or product comparisons ,however we are all on this site because we believe in Honda QUALITY dont we? So if thats the case dont we believe that Honda filters are adequate? I realize Honda parts are expensive ,but at lease we should use that as a baseline for quality,now there is a posibility the Wal mart oil filter
may be on a par with the Honda filter,I for one am not doing a full up test on Wal marts
filters,however I will use my common sence that Honda wouldnt put a junk oil filter
on a bike that they have to warranty. Thats where I stop on this subject,like Jim Rome from ESPN says "I AM OUT" . eddie

 

The 7317 is the correct part. It's a bit longer than the stock filter but works great. Check out the above link and some others have cutaway comparisons someone did. The supertech filters performed exceptionally well and provided a great value.



Another option is buying the Purolator Pure One filters on Amazon...they're a good deal too.


Buy THREE 2-packs and get free super saver shipping. Great deal.

Amazon.com: Purolator PL14610 PureONE Oil Filter (Pack of 2): Automotive



What it comes down to is: ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY FOR PEACE OF MIND?(usually, that's all it is..peace of mind in a BRAND NAME...a lot of it is all mental...just like when pharmaceutical companies do drug testing...some patients on placebos report that they feel better simply because they are being "medicated") Which could in the end be a false hope. You get what you pay for unless there is a ridiculous mark up, which there is.(hey, someone has to pay for the TV Commercials)lol.


Me...I'm a believer in routine regular maintenance rather than dumping money into the latest innovations. IT IS A MACHINE. IT WILL WEAR OUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND ON CONSUMABLES(the question is, will it last much longer if you do dump loads of cash into it...and for those later higher mileage days, does the value of the machine even JUSTIFY the cost of all those gallons of expensive oil and oil filters you bought? I think NOT). Regular maintenance is a huge key to long life but not so much as intended usage. What's going to last longer? An old man taking Sunday drives on recycled dino oil and wal-mart filters or a 18 year old kid on a stunting binge and track days every weekend using the highest cost synthetics and priciest filters?

 

we know that Honda doesn't make the filter, so if that is the case, who makes it and how much is it to buy from them? I personally believe, as long as you change the oil and filter often(more often than every 8k), you can put in just about any filter and be okay. That said, the Bosch is on the highly recommended list and I've seen no reason to stop using it. I do find the longer filter harder to get into this bike though. I might switch to the 3300.

 

the supertech is a fine filter but teh Purolator is also and you can get eht pl14610 0r pl14612 if you doen want to pay the $6 you can get the regular purolator same number different letters L instead of PL still a good filter.

 

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These are all good points guys and I thank all for their reasoning.

First, I know that regular maintenance is one key to maximizing engine/bike life and reliability. Moreover, as soundmaster31 said, machines wear out, and that is inevitable. We can slow the process considerably by using the best quality (giving deference to budget constraints) lubrication and replacement parts available. Indeed I completely agree that the conditions in which the machine is operated and the way it is handled by the operator are both keys too. And yes, I do like to crack the throttle on occasion.

I am also aware that this bike will need more work in the near future, and I anticipate that I may, when money is available, tear it apart and massage it some. For the dough I paid for her, she's worth it.

Here's my afternoon's update after a trip to Cycle Gear and Autozone. My first stop was Cycle Gear and they have Engine Ice for 16.99 a jug thru July 26th, so that's a buck cheaper than I can find locally. They also have Galfer Pads for 33 Georges a pair. Part Number FD205 for the fronts and FD207 for the rear. These pads are not the "HH" that so many are after. The guy with whom I deal tells me that those types of pads are straight $hit in the rain...and here in Sunny Florida we get a TON of it during the summer. The K&N Oil Filter is $14.99.

(ADDENDUM: I just did a quickie RECON of Amazon and they have the Purolator's for 9.48 in a 2 pack. If I want a used one, I can get them for 7.99...hahahaha...a used oil filter...someone puh-lease kill me now...friggin hilarious :wacko: )

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From there I went to AutoZone to see the Bosch 3300 and 3323. Both are 6.49, and yes, the 3300 is a bit shorter than the 3323. I really think there should be a "CycleZone". Hmmm...who'd a thunk it? I just hope they wouldn't sell used oil filters like Amazonian.com. Oh my...too much Starbucks...

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So my BarStucks adventure was a lot more fun. It's in the Target and man are there some hot babes in that place. I hit on all of them too. I bought a very kewl black skin shirt that fits me like a glove (more on this) but it's hott hott hott in the Florida Sun...my gawd...and I'm from this state. :flame:

So i wandered into Target to browse for babes and came out with another skin shirt, but this one is white. I'll be dammed if I can find one in YELLOW, but white is a lot cooler. Fortunately, I can get away with these types of shirts. I'd post a pic, but only if the community ok's it. You should see the action I get on this dating site I belong to...but that's anonther, nother story...yes, I can be blabby!uke:

All right, now I am going to look for tech specs (speck-screening capacities) of the following filters:

Honda OEM
K&N
Supertech
Bosch
Purloator

Man, look what kind of mess I went and done did!:chairshot: More soon...of this we all can be certain!

Peace and love to all,

DA

 

That's because you didn't search before you posted. Go to any forum, and "what type of oil and filter is best" will start wars for the most part.

Follow link: Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference

 

isnt supertech filter made by one of the bigger name brands? ive used them for a few years no with no problems at all.

 

HAHA, you're acting like me. I went and looked at the Supertech 7317, decided not to get it. Next day I went back to get it, it was sold. So I got the Bosch 3323. I'm just going to rotate on the list of filters that link recommends. I don't anticipate any troubles. My biggest issue right now is deciding what oil to use after break in is done. I've been using Mobile 1-4T but can't say if I like it or not. It seemed to do the job. I'm too much of a wuss to try out Rotella, since it doesn't say motorcycle on it. Maybe some day, but probably not in the VFR, I'm just too nervous even though I have read at least a million posts on how it is good stuff. I might give amsoil a try. who knows.

ANyway, good luck with the bike, how many miles on her/what kind of tires etc are you going to get? if you want to try some cheap ones, check out Shinko. I had Shinko 009's on my last bike and they seemed fine to me, and at 180 a set, can't beat them.

 

Honda Oil is supposedly made by mobil 1. I also heard that superflo makes the Honda filters. Both were passed on to me from pretty respectable sources.

 

Understand that the intention of my thread was to sort out the discrepancy of conflicted part numbers of the Supertech ST 7317 and ST 7137 oil filters. And yes, I did search for BOTH part numbers here and in Yahoo prior to making the original post. SO I did my homework in advance.

As I indicated in my original post, I was perplexed by this very unusual situation and thought I could find some help from the VFR community. Some have been very helpful.

TY for the link reference.

Peace and love to all...some need it more than others!

DA

 

Easy...
Purolator Pure One Filter + Heavyweight VTwin Oil(15w-50 or 20w-50)=$30
Enough said.

 

Thanks again for the advice.:first:

I have about 29500 miles on it now, and for a 9yo bike, that's not too bad. The Shinko Tires sound like a good idea, and I will look at them. I found a dude on Tampa Bay Craigslist who is selling Michelin PowerOne's for 75 bucks a tire. They're race tires and "supposedly" have only 20 to 40 laps on them. Hmmm :bs:

Here's the link: New Michelin PowerOne 2CT 120-180

I may make a run up to look at them, but he's not responded to my email...this is a good sign right off the rip!

Anyhow, the Rotella oil is going to be my choice. It's a heavy duty oil and EVERYONE (especially truckers) swear by this stuff. I made the reference to the prices of the Rotella and Chevron for all who'd want to know, as I read somewhere here that the prices at Wal Mart were more than they expected. I'm a real Deal Hound, so I love a good bargain and will try to maximize my hard-earned scratch as best as possible! :smokin:

I'm sure that a lot of people try to do this...that means more for ga$ money so I can this yellow beast instead of look at her!