Honda's New Electronic Combined ABS

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  1. derstuka

    derstuka Lord of the Wankers Staff Member

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    Ok, who's been reading along with me in the newest motorcyclist? I know other articles have been out for a bit talking about the release, but this is the one that I read the most of and includes testing.

    Here is another link about the bikes...non-motorcyclist mag link.

    2009 Honda CBR 1000 RR ABS & 2009 Honda CBR 600 RR ABS Photos

    Well, based on the testing by MC mag guys, they say the ABS is almost undetectable. It incorporates a "brake by wire" system which engages the front and rear brakes electronically rather than mechanically. It is not as complicated as the VFR's. It looks very promising, and great technology IMO. The major downfall is the system weighs 22lbs on the 600RR, and 24 on the 1000RR. It will cost about a grand over retail, and is an option, not standard.

    "Honda has injected plenty of MotoGP-inspired technology into their latest literbike, but they've taken a quantum leap with their recently announced Combined ABS system. Intended for sportibikes (and developed on the prototype seen here), the setup uses brake-by-wire technology, an ECU which diverts brake force to the front or rear wheel, and a "stroke simulator" to create lever feedback since hydraulic feel would otherwise be absent.
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    What are your thoughts peeps?
     
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    Looks cool tech wise, but the weight would make certain members tear their bikes apart to get rid of it.
     
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    I like the fact they had to put a feedback to the brake handle so people could "feel" the engagement of the brake. I would think the system could get a little touchy if the ECU is screwed with. People better make sure they know what they are doing to that ECU when they upgrade.

    I hope this system works better than the current linked ABS, and if so I think it will take Honda 2 years before they bring it to the viffers.
     
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    This is definitely v2.0 of Honda's ABS system. It will definitely works its way "down" to the VFR.

    I love the technology behind it. I too have read the MC article, very impressive technology. And I totally agree with motame....that people better know what their doing when playing with these ECU's.

    My MAIN concern about this whole thing is the "status" of the VFR inside of Honda. For many, many years, the VFR was Honda's lead model with all the technology. The VFR was always the first model they released with technology like this. Now they're using their 600 & 1000 models to launch their new technology. I'm not a marketing guru and nor do I know what the hell is going on at Honda but I don't get that warm, fuzzy feeling about the VFR's placement in the hierarchy inside of the Honda. :crazy:


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    i don't think the ABS could get any more complicated than whats on the VFRs
     
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    I sure would like to test this system along side a traditional system for comparison. Too bad it has to weigh so much, but, maybe that can be trimmed down in time.
     
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    That would be the ultimate test. 2 of the same bike, one with v1.0 and one with this new v2.0 of the ABS.

    And I agree. With time they will trim the weight down of the components. But the way I look at it....if these "heavy" components keep you out the rhubarb and get you home safely, I'll take the extra weight.
     
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    But 22 pounds?

    MD
     
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    On the 600, 22 lbs equates to 5.5% of the entire weight of the bike. That is a lot of weight if you are racing the bike. But it can also save your ass on the track too. It's all about trade-offs. But when riding on the street, 22 lbs will never be noticed. The article also states that the riders were unable to detect the extra weight because the components are centrally located in the lower fairings.

    Besides, once you plant your 200+ lbs ass on the seat, the last thing you need to worry about (or detect) is losing the 22 lbs from some technology that will keep your ass on the seat. :tongue:
     
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    To each his own......

    MD

    btw - I'm way far from 200 pounds
     
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    North or South of 200 lbs? :tongue:

    Must be nice. I haven't been below 200 lbs since my last year of college. And that was many, many moons ago.
     
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    I'm 175.....:wink: I've never really had any weight issues, although I could stand to work out.
    MD
     
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    Working out is overrated. Throw some leathers on, twist the throttle and scrape a knee or two on the track. That's a workout! :biggrin:
     
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