Interesting Open Carry Reaction/Story from NH

Wow. I really did not want this to become a flame war or debate on if guns or right or not. More people than I would have guessed carry guns or believe in gun rights, so this was really for them to show that not every one is against them.

So when the government bans different calibers of guns or types of ammunition, what is that? I would definitely say that is losing a right. Our 'savior' aka the next president tried very hard in Illinois to ban a style of ammunition that almost all hunting rounds are made of. How is that anything but trying to prohibit people from activly using their guns?


Both major political parties try to get the public to give up certain rights in favor or getting something in return. Wire tapping and all other sorts of surveliance done on Americans every day is done for "the safety of all Americans" and is done by giving up privacy. Carrying a gun does not make everything better, but it does show your support for a little thing people like to forget about THE CONSTITUTION. Oh wait, I hear that can be changed now so maybe someday they will take my family's guns away. OH WAIT that already happened to my family when they immigrated from Italy and became LEGAL citizens shortly after the turn of the century.


You can look at many major cities and the crime data will show an increase after banning weapons or having major restrictions. When the ban passed in Washington DC crime rates rose which is a fact, although people like to not believe hard data. Again .... NYC is another great example of a city with extreme gun restrictions and extreme crime. In places like this criminals are still able to get guns illegally and have no fear of ordinary citizens because the criminal is the one with the upper hand. Perhaps you could try googling this for yourself.


Your crack at Oregon is actually pretty funny considering how liberal this state is. Sure the rural areas are not so bad, but the state is still overwhelmingly liberal.

Exactly. Why knowlingly attack someone when they are on the same level as you? Criminals prey on victims they know they can take advatage of whether it is physical strength or via a weapon of any means.

Wow, sorry but I have to say this is one of the most rediculous things I have ever read.


How often do you hear about someone getting shot because of a petty thing like getting cut off on the road? I can't recall a single time ever. How many times have I heard about someone getting shot over a couple of dollars in their wallet? Plenty of times.

It really is unfortunate that people have these misconceptions about those who exorcise their right to guns. Carrying a gun whether concealed or not most of the time has nothing to do with fear! And those who do carry certainly hope that the situation never occurs when they will have to use the gun to defend themselves. I certainly would MUCH rather target practice at a bullseye and not shoot someone.

From what I have noticed (especially after MANY discussions with my friend's mom who is the head of a major 911 station in the Portland metro area) those who live in fear the most are those who rely on others to take care of them. She has personally overheard thousands of calls and those who are most frantic feel they can do nothing for themself and need someone to take care of them. I also personally know several officers and the sherrif of the county I grew up in. They all agree. I personally feel much safer (and will raise my family in such an area) where people DO carry guns. You don't have to fear people because MOST people are law abiding.

If you are so concerned about everyone having an education maybe you should live in a socialist country? Plenty of them in Europe provide exactly what you want, sure sounds like you would be much happier there. They also aren't allowed to have guns, gays can marry, and you can have limited freedom of speech! Everybody loves everybody and nothing bad ever happens. Also when has the main focus been on everyone having a gun?

 

Come to think of it, I do have an Interceptor.

 

True, but many of them rob people in other ways. It's called white collar crime.

Merry Christmas to you, too.

 

Look, it's a known fact that even Santa packs heat. He's a bit old fashioned and carries a .357 magnum revolver, but that will get the job done any day. So, end of debate!

 

You know, I never really thought about this before, but maybe this is why I have never been really comfortable with VTEC and linked brakes. Too many moving parts...

I'll bet Santa has a 4th Gen, with aftermarket suspension.

 

I would say that this ban is because there is plenty of evidence that these bullets have been used in violent crimes and have the ability to defeat the bullet resistant vests our LEO's wear to protect themselves. I think this is a good thing. I've never heard of a dear that needed to be shot with an armor piercing high velocity round have you???

If you aren't doing anything detrimental to the safety of the govt or the people of this country do you REALLY thing the govt is wasting its time listening to you chat on the phone about cooking recipes??? Can you say paranoid? Good I knew you could! :lol:

I think it would be less of a waste of time to look at the illiteracy rate in NYC. The education I speaking of is beyond a high school level. If we spent the time and money to educate our youth so they could become more productive in our society then they wouldn't need to go for the "easy money" and rob people. The few that did use their education to do wrong would not be wasting their time with sticking up the local bank with a pop gun.

So now when you realize you're wrong YOU resort to personal attacks?? I though you were brighter than that Shorty :tsk:

It happens more often then you think. Just recently a person was test driving a car on one of our local freeways (Interstate 80 in Richmond) and was shot and killed because he accidently moved in front of a speed thug. They chased the guy down and shot him. Better Google up some facts too...

So if most people are law abiding, why do you need that gun again:

I LOVE my country! I also love listening to the same lame arguments and personal attacks over and over again. I don't need to hide behind a gun. I don't live in fear of people because the media is so slanted and biased to always mention race whenever something remotely bad happens. It's always funny that there's never a problem until it happens in a more affluent neighborhood. I'm very glad to live an California where we DON'T have to worry about every Tom, Dick or Harry (Harriet?) packing heat.

Merry Christmas!!
Barack Obama!! :biggrin:

 

Now i don't want to get in on the argument however in my oppion i think we should have a right to bear arms, i grew up around guns and have a few and i would not be without one although i don't always feel the need to carry one all the time. a lot of my friends are ether law enforcement or have a CCW, to me most of the folks that are against guns are afraid of gun with no experience with guns and i have never seen a gun go on a killing spree by its self ? i think folks should have some kind of training before buying a weapon so they understand the responsibility of using a gun . have a great day

 

Holy Crap that's hilarious, thanks for reminding me of a scene from the 1981 movie Stripes:

Psycho: The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

Leon: Ooooooh.

Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.

Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.

ound:ound:ound:ound:ound:ound:

 

What, do we miss the political arguments already?

 

Wow.....who ever thought I could have a sweet bike and a gun debate in the same forum???? Well, I was waiting for my first post until I actually take delivery of my new bike in the spring (07 RWB). Down payment is made, my bonus check seals the deal! Anyway....I couldnt resist jumping in on the gun debate. As far as facts in both directions on whether or not gun control works; I truely think it depends on who is spinning the data. I have seen numerous studies and articles posted by the NRA and other pro gun groups that seem to prove through statistics that violent gun crime actually does go up after gun bans go into effect (I would think the NRA website would probably have that info, please dont ask me to do the research). I also know there are enough liberal dogooders that want to save the world by taking everyone's gun away...and they have their own statistics. Either way, I recently moved from the People's Republic of New York to Pennsylvania. Quite a diffrence in gun laws here. I lived in a section of NY that was pulled into an economic vacuum after the air base pulled out. Over the past several years, crime was rampant, and in the next city over, it was a criminal's free for all. When you are the only one who has a gun (illegally) you are the preverbial kid in a candy store. Well, I took a transfer and now I am stuck in coal country hell. Holly crap is this area depressed.... I mean it makes where I came from look like Beverly Hills. Guess what..... almost no crime, and what crime there is, is usually not gun related.
So if you want real world evidence.....here it is: In a semi-depressed area of NY with strict gun control laws....crime is relevantly rampant (at least 2 shootings a week, violent crime daily). I am talking about a fairly small upstate city, not NYC!! In the land that time forgot (coal country hell Pa) with very relaxed gun laws and an extremely desperate economic atmosphere, gun crime is almost non existant. I have lived both, and it is real world evidence in my book. Think about it....if you were a criminal, who would rob....someone who is 99% chance of being unarmed because the government wont allow them to be, or someone who is more than likely carrying a gun on them somewhere?
I do carry almost every day (I dont like the open carry idea as I almost think it invites trouble, but again, not a debate I am going to engage) because I can..... I can walk anywhere at anytime, and I will be ok. If I get a flat tire in a bad neighborhood, I do not have to worry that horrible things will happen to my wife, kids, or myself. It is a fact of life that bad people are out there.... no gun control, prison sentance, or punishment is ever going to stop that. If I carry my gun, at least have a chance to defend myself and family in the unfortunate event that I may run into one of them someday. Lets be honest, if some nut job wants to steal my wallet and rape my wife, me asking them politely not to is not going to change the situation.
As far as road rage or getting cut in line.... well, there are background checks that try to weed those people out. Now dont flip out on me about checks....I know that it is not effective, but if someone has that kind of temper, they usually already have a violent rap sheet and dont qualify for a gun in the first place (further lending to the agument that bad people will allways have guns.....gun control only limits non-criminals). Believe me, an enraged nut job in a pickup truck will run you off the road, come at you with a knife, baseball bat, ect. If someone is on the edge and snaps, they are going to be violent with or without a gun, and the end result is probably going to be the same. Should we outlaw pickup trucks because someone lost their temper and hit someone else?
Sorry so long, I will throw some pics of the bike when I take delivery (she is sitting pretty in a warehouse). To the fellow in Canada that doesnt agree with guns, I pray that you never run into a criminal that doesnt share your view on gun control, remember the bad guys will always have them!

 

I think this refers to me. Reading your post was NOT a waste of my time. It was an informative point of view. I respect it. And who am I or anyone else here in Canada to say we are right and you are wrong. My point of view is strictly personal. It has served me very well all my 53 years. This point of view is not shared by my siblings, one of which has been an American for about 30 years now.

We live in different societies you and I. If I were an American, being so would be governed by you Constitution, I may have a diffenet point of view. Who knows. Opinions are to be preserved, shared, but not pushed.

Welcome to this site. You will find that points of view are varied whether we speak of politics, guns, or bikes. I didn't see where you were from. If by chance it is the PNW, we might meet for a brew sometime.

 

When did I say that I ever thought the government was paying any attention to me personally? Not once. I am not paranoid in any way, but it does happen to other people and I was merely using it as an example.

Our government was never intended to be the nanny state you want it to be. If thats what YOU value and desire then again, you should live somewhere where thats what the government is designed for.

Just like Knife said your well educated dogooders may use guns for crime less often, but they have other ways. Maybe we should ban everyone from investing money because some people steal and cheat?

I am not wrong, its just my opinion that what you said is purely pathetic.

If it was a major problem don't you think it would be more widely reported?? I never said it didn't happen, just said it is not a major occurrence.

I never said I need a gun for solely for personal defense. In fact, I said that most people don't even carry or own guns for this reason. I take it you don't understand what the 2nd amendment was created for. Maybe you should research this too.

I also love this country, but grow tired of the same arguments especially when people put words in my mouth. I don't hide behind a gun and I don't live in fear - just the opposite. Funny you say the media always mention race because the local media here never does.



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Again PEOPLE LIKE GUNS MAINLY OTHER REASONS BESIDES PERSONAL SAFETY. GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE BESIDES THOSE WITH THE "PNW MENTALITY" OWN AND ENJOY GUNS. PEOPLE BESIDES REPUBLICANS LIKE GUNS. Just so you guys know I am not a republican, I am registered independent.

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Can a mod please lock this up? I wanted to post up something I thought people would enjoy, but others are just out to ruin it. Thanks.

 

People with the personality traits you so openly display are a primary reason for the concern that people have about gun control.

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. - Daniel J. Boorstin

 

our founding fathers believed what i believe.

were they insane?

you're just a govt shill loser. and without the govt you'd probably die.

you live in a shit hole of a state, a shit hole of on area. your state is in chaos and is on the verge of collapse.

what would you do if i tried to rob you? be a little bitch and let me do it? you can't protect your family or yourself. the police can't protect you either. you're completely helpless sheep.

 

sheep.

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talk about ignorance.

 

Your inability to react to this thread without loosing it concerns me. To think that you have a permit to carry concerns me more. Sorry, just my opinion. I don't think someone who carry's and reacts the way you have shown is stable enough for a permit. If you are just spouting for the heck of it and aren't really a loose cannon then please read your post and don't blame me for saying what I just said.

 

i don't need a permit to carry a pistol. although i do have one in a couple states.

permits are a joke. how can you license a "right". if you were an american would you think it was ok to require a license an training to exercise your 1st amendment "rights". Would you think it ok to require a permit to exercise your 4th amendment rights?

this thread is idiotic. only sheep are afraid of firearms. the 2nd amendment doesn't give me the right to own or carry a firearm, god gives me this right, i have this right as a human being. our founding fathers knew this.

as alluded to previously in this thread, cars are far more dangerous than firearms. cars kill many more people than firearms, there is no talk about banning cars. doctors kill more people in the US then firearms do. and there are considerably less doctors in the US than firearms.

millions and millions of firearms, thousands of doctors. you're more likely to be killed by malpractice than a firearm.

 

My friend I wasn't talking about firearms being bad or dangerous or the right to carry or God or the founding fathers or... consider me not even commenting on this thread topic. My point was, a firearm along with your exhibited lack of restraint is what concerns me, that's all.