VP pick of Palin.. what does it mean?

Thanks for that! I was having a rather dull day and needed a good laugh. I don't know what you do for a living, but you should seriously think about writing for those all-so informative McCain ads we see on TV. Your ridiculous fear tactics would be a perfect complement. You could always bring back the ominous themes of Brave New World or 1984 if you wanted to attempt writing a short novel on your thoughts. LOL!

 

So, is your motorcycle Black or white? Because it is clear to me that you see things in one way only...good or bad, yes or no, black or white, with no real awareness of the true complexity of life. I'd laugh at this but this is why our country is in such sad shape, because many people don't take the time to look at the real complexity of issues but instead distill them down to a knee-jerk reaction caused by fear and greed. At least you have lots of company. The world is NOT simple, solutions are not simple. Sorry to offend you...just lump me in with the rest of the "Axis of Evil" that includes everyone except you and people that are myopic like you. I don't care who YOU vote for because when you see the world this way you are part of the problem no matter what you do.
...Now, back to our regulary scheduled program of sound bites...

 

Well my fellow conservatives; if you wonder why we are considered social retards please read WeeeFR's post.

And that should about sum it up folks!

BZ

 

Everyone is trying to patch the nations problems. The reason we are in such bad shape is that we pay huge taxes and get no benefit from it.

Example. Here where I live they wait until the snow melts and then plow them, they pave roads that are PERFECT. literally, not a single bump or pot hole. While at the same time leaving other roads so bad that it causes you pain to drive over them. Seriously, down town it hurts my wife to drive there.

Politicians want to be able to just throw money at things that are not that important. republicans and democrats the same. They spend and spend and spend while at the same time we are ALREADY BROKE.

Someone asked what people would do if they were president. I would perminatly lay off half of the people in the government being that half the jobs are quite useless and give no real benefit, then I would get a list of the bills, and list of income, then balance it.

But politicians will not do this, they spend and spend and spend thinking there is always more.

Mccain has even stated publicaly that he wants an open ended, unlimited check for the "war" in iraq.

Sure, I would love to just replace all 4 filters and seats in my carbs, but my income is not unlimited. I understand this. Thats why I only bought the 2 that I really need and didn't spend the 20 bucks to get it in 2 days rather than 10.

 

WOLVERINE!!!!!

 

In reading some of these responses it is clear that there as an almost bizarre fear of socialism being expressed by some of you. I have traveled to some socialist countries like Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden. These Countries have essentially no under class, they have tremendous infrastructure and highly advanced industries as well as excellent health care. Given the recent meltdown of our unregulated capitalism perhaps we are fundamentally wrong about our approach. I only speak for myself when I say that comments to the effect that socialism is to be feared and will put our great grandchildren in bondage are anything but persuasive. I would suggest that too much black or white anaysis (no pun intended) is going on with regard to these issues.

PS: Nunhboy - I did not notice your comment about B&W until I wrote mine, I guess we agree.

 

If the socialist countrys are so great, why not just move there? I don't want socialism, no matter how great you think it is. This country was founded because the settlers were sick and tired of the govt running amuck. The reason there is no underclass there, is because they are ALL the underclass!! I work for my money, and don't think the govt can or should be able to spend it as they see fit. Passing it out to deadbeat, lazy, leaches who wouldn't work in a pie factory. I earned it, I'll spend it as I see fit. Of all the countrys you listed, are any of them the leader of anything? Are they the leader of industry, sports, technology, anything?? The PEOPLE of this country have made it great, not the govt. Remember...By the people, for the people...not by the govt, for the govt. Socialism won't work, can't work, never has worked. Oh, the govt may fool the people for a while, but it will not last for long. It has failed everywhere it has been tried, and I don't plan to try it here. The problem with it is, there is no motivation to go the extra mile, to work harder to make life better for your family. The harder you work, the more you earn, the more the govt takes. So, why try?

 

I thought it might be worth bringing this post back seeing as how the previous thread that I posted this in was taken down...


The dichotomy of the past eight years is striking. On the one hand, we have George W. Bush, who has been widely criticized for a seemingly compulsive desire to spread democracy and freedom to some of the most oppressed people on the face of the earth. On the other hand, we have Barack Obama, who has been widely embraced in spite of his thinly veiled, obsessive plan to bring socialism and oppression home to us, the freest people on the face of the earth.

Truly, I struggle to understand.

I suppose the concepts of freedom and fairness have been pitted one against the other. People seem to be opting to choose a “fair society” rather than a “free society.”

As I see it, unfettered freedom and unfettered fairness cannot coexist. Unfettered freedom gives people the freedom to succeed, the freedom to fail, and the freedom to achieve to any level in between. Unfettered fairness restricts one’s freedom to succeed, restricts one’s freedom to fail, and assigns to each their “lot in life” as determined by the government.

It is immoral for the government to restrict the freedom of one to promote fairness for another. It is only fair to afford all individuals the freedom to determine and strive for their own “lot in life.” Self determination has, unfortunately, become a curse in a land where it was, at one time, a blessing. Self determination used to be held sacred because brave men bled and died to obtain it. Brave men and women bled and died to preserve it.

Personally, I believe in God. Furthermore, I believe God created us with an inherent free will. God gave us the freedom to succeed by whatever measure we so choose. God also gave us the freedom to fail by whatever measure we choose.

The Declaration of Independence says, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” According to our wise Founding Fathers, God grants us the right to Life, the right to Liberty, and the right to pursue (but not necessarily obtain) Happiness. To keep the simple things simple, fairness then should really mean that one free person cannot use their freedom to restrict the freedom of another. In other words, it is not fair for one free person to abuse their freedom to restrict another’s God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

For those who don’t believe in God I ask, “What is inherently fair about nature?” Is it fair that the sickliest gazelle will always be run-down, killed, consumed, and excreted by the fastest cheetah? The fact is, in nature, the freedom of every creature is necessarily bound by its own proximity to the nearest beast that is just one rung higher on the food chain.

God’s way seems much better to me.

I suppose that it is time for Americans to wake up and start to appreciate what the have before it is gone. Freedom is lost without ruckus. Freedom is easy to lose but difficult to win. Freedom is lost in the voting booth, with the effortless glide of a pen upon paper, and with the quiet tap of a wooden gavel in a hollow chamber. Freedom is only won by the shedding of blood.

As the scroll of world history is written, America, as we knew it, may end up being but a blurb… A once great nation that fought for the freedom others, bled for the freedom of others, and died for the freedom of others all the while giving away their own freedom to an enemy within; an enemy that did not fire a shot.

UPDATE::: Any person who votes with the belief that the government should give them more and more needs to realize that the day will come when they will have nothing more than what the government gives them!!!

 

I'm just curious what company you work for? It needs to have more than 683400 people for your claim to be valid.

KC-10 FE out...
lane: :usa2:

 

Like I said on the other thread....Poetry, Pure Poetry!!! DrBob should run for president. I'd vote for him!!!
Where has our pride gone?? Why is it now acceptable to take "Hand-outs" from the govt?? Why do so many people think the Govt owes them something?? I just want freedom!!! I want the freedom to be a success. If I succeed, it was my own doing. If I fail, that too was my own doing. And, I don't want or need any stinking hand-out from the Govt. Where did all this "Fairness" talk come from? Where did the founding fathers list fairness as a right? The dems are trying to cash in on class envy. Just because someone has more than someone else, doesn't make them evil. Fairness is the right to keep what you earn. It is not the role of the govt to play Robin Hood, stealing from the rich to give to the poor. Insted, the poor need to get off their butts and GET A JOB!!! If you don't earn enough to live the way you want, Get a better job. If you can't find a better job, read a book, take a class, do something to better yourself so you can EARN more and stop waiting for your govt check to come in. Our govt will only control us if we let it. I don't need some pencil-neck in Washington telling me how much I can earn. And that is exactly what Obama wants to do. If I work too hard, make too much, he'll take it...steal it. Only to spend it as he sees fit. Not if I can help it!!!

 

Aw shucks, you boys flatter this old partisan who loves his country and family in a sort of twisted, myopic, retarded way.

Good Luck and Good Riding, Stay Safe!

Wheeefr

 

Eddie.

And you don't think our Gov't hasn't run amuck. More bigger and better gov't. Oh yeah, that always works. NOT!!

Sarcasm: just another service I am more than happy to supply.

DR Bob for president. Why didn't you run? You get my vote.

Looks like we are going to need another revolution.

 

Let's just say I work in the pharmaceutical industry.. company headquater in NJ.

 

Bob, I seem to have struck a nerve; but I do not follow your logic. You are shadow boxing.

PS: I don't need reading glasses.

 

The worlds largst pharma company based in NJ = J&J, and their worldwide employment according to their own figures (see J&J fact book on-line) is 119, 400.

2006 census of Alaska population = 670,053. I assume KCs # is more recent than mine.

FAIL!

The ONLY company that has more employees than the population of Alaska is the worlds largest employeer = Wal-Mart with 1.8MM.

 

The ONLY company that has more employees than the population of Alaska is the worlds largest employeer = Wal-Mart with 1.8MM.

Hey- doesn't Walmart have a pharmacy??
Lighten up guys. It sounds as if all of our minds are made up. The best thing you can do is go vote for the candidate of your choice. It looks like you guys are actually researching each other's stories. By the way, the weather in Northern California has been GREAT lately.
Have a nice weekend all!

 

Just doing some fact checking. I like to call BS, and expect skepticism of my comments on this board too.
No defense or promotion of anyone in the presidential or VP race. There's so much BS out there on that one, I could care less to even start checking...... a bottomless pile of layered feces you need wings to stay above.

I had to break out the neck gaiter today for a 42F commute this morning. Soon the truck and a mug of hot coffee will look good next to the VFR.

A good weekend is coming......as they are all good, and all too short.

 

I agree with some of what your saying here, but to "steal" from the rich is not exactly accurate. Obama wants the rich to have equal taxation as the middle and lower classes. How is that stealing from the rich? It is a fact that of those making over $250,000/yr., an average of 14% of their income is taken for taxes. I have a great example of this. My wife works as a vascular ultrasound tech at a city hospital. She makes around $40,000/yr. and she keeps about 75% of each paycheck. One of the doctors she works with is a family member and we know for sure that he makes just over $300,000/yr. He gets to keep over 85% of his paycheck. We thought it would be interesting to compare, and this is what is happening all over the country.

It is nothing like what McCain wants to do with his mortgage plan. That is taking from the good citizens of our nation who DO work hard for what we have and giving it to those who bought something they could not afford. It makes sense that people are souring towards McCain and Obama's lead is growing in the polls. McCain is just not right for our country right now. I used to respect him a few years back, but after his back and forth behavior and irresponsibility during his campaign (Palin was just the beginning of his mistakes), I didn't even watch the debate on Wed. night (and I never miss a debate).

 

You are mistaking socialism for capitalism. Socialism has proven to work, in fact you still have to work for your money. The only difference is that the government limits the income of the super high paying jobs. EXAMPLE: Doctors will only make 1 million a year rather than 6. You know what, I think that is fair. People shouldn't have to give up their entire lives just because they have a medical condidtion.

DRs here dont care about patients, they care about money. They make appointments every 15 minutes and rush you out of the office so you dont have time to even talk to them about your problem.

You get bills sent to collections before you even get out of the hospital.

One more point i wanted to make.

With capitalism you do not own land, you rent it from the government. In American we pay property taxes to be able to own land. Whats the difference? oh, we call it taxes instead of rent.

 

If im registered im thinking of doing a write in and voting for Peter Griffin.