Supreme Court Upholds 2nd Amendment Right

This is the best bit of legistlation to come out of DC in a very long time.

All other points and arguments aside, how could the politicians truly believe that banning hand gun ownership by public citizens would keep people safer? In thirty plus years the crime rate dropped just twice? Come on now.

We are all militia. The right to keep and bear arms is ours.

 

I'm not sure where your figures come from but I know its not from my state. I work for the police and live in the southern state of Victoria. In the time I have been working for the police (about 7 years) the crime rate has reduced each year. We certainly don't live in fear down here that we'll be the victim of a home invasion and I definitely don't feel the need to own or carry a firearm for protection.

 

Great news.. Our tyrant Government decides we have the right to keep our guns.. I am a gun owner and have watched this very closely.

 

What's truely sad is that in this day of law suits, litigation, harrassment, etc... People STILL believe that guns are the root of evil. You are more likely to be cut off in traffic, rear end someone, get sued & lose a $50000 judgement than be a victim of firearm violence.

Guns founded this country. Guns saved the world, TWICE. With out firearms & people willing to stand up & use them in the approriate manner, there would be no USofA, Europe would be speaking German, communism would have spread to most of the world, etc...

The liberal idiots want everyone to believe the government is here to protect you. Then, these are the same liberal idiots that say the US Gov is bad for doing what ever, where ever, how ever. I don't know about anyone else, but I know for 1000% certain that my local police ARE NOT going to protect me in a time of crisis. If you want to be a victim, that's your choice. I do know that I refuse to be one.

KC-10 FE out...
lane: :usa2:

 

i also find it interesting and rather disturbing that socialists say how horrible the government is, but then their solution is bigger government.

i had one actually tell me if the "right" people were in charge it would be great!

talk about mush heads.

 

A) You don't know me or understand my feelings. B) I do respect OUR rights, and what's more, I respect the constitution and the Supreme Court's decision on this matter. I've considered getting a handgun myself.

I haven't made any definitive statements one way or the other on this topic, it's the other :crazy: nuts that have dragged this down to a bash Americans thread. I generally stay out of these discussions because they can't be discussed rationally in most cases, this being one obviously.

I stand by the figures, DC homicide rates have been declining for 13 years with the ban in place. There are 17 major cities, without bans, that are more dangerous in terms of homicide. It's unlikely removing this ban will have any effect on DC homicide rates as there is no correlation. They've actually tied the decline to the gentrification of the worst neighborhoods.

The question I ask myself is how does AU and most of the rest of the industrial world get along without gun ownership rights? The saying goes if you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have guns? So is that the case in AU, Japan, The Netherlands?

 

prove your "facts"

and as for you last question

YES.

don't care if 20,000 people a day die from firearms i'll never give mine up and i'll kill anyone who tries to take them. end of story

 

Well, in Sydney it took all but five minutes in a bar to be offered to purchase a hand gun by a shaddy bloke (& yes he showed it to me), Maybe I look like a crimanal & needs one , but as to my friends there, that is "COMMON" & a illegal hand gun can be had anytime in the bigger Cities.

Most of my friends have moved out of the cities & Burbs do to the increased crime (Home invasions, thuggery, Knife & pistol hold ups (remeber, especially since your a LEO & most of my family is, that a small semi 22 or 25 can cause damage & kill you ! and are as common as candy in the Black Market there).

I was embarrased to say in some nice neighborhoods that I remember from years ago are looking like Inglewood & Compton, CA now with the bars on the windows & doors to prevent robberies & home invasions.

I understand that some of your Burbs are no where near as bad as some hear, but you should know or have access to the real changes/statistics that are occuring there outside of the goverment B.S. survey's to keep the Aussie citizens @ bay & tourism not threatened ! .

You take firearm ownership from the Law abiding citizens & "ONLY" crimminals & the Law will have them, don't mind the Law, but sure mind the crimminals having them when Johnny innocent doesn't !

If your state is all that well & Dandy (Doubt it) the change is coming Mate, Sorry to say that it is .

I Love your Country & it's people, but your Law's against fire arm's & the increased influx of Legal & illegal imigrints (Legal not as bad, because they have something to lose) of bad nature is F/U your Beutiful Country (Hmm where have I seen that happening - duh )

Good luck mate, hope your luck with the crimminals lasts through yours & your kids generation, I doubt it, but I hope & pray ope2: anyway's !

 

Metropolitan Police Department: Data at a Glance

Homicides now are half what they were in 1995 in DC.

Interesting look at 1995 data nationwide from the FBI. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/nibrs/famvio21.pdf. 15% of violent crimes are caused by strangers. 25% are family violence and the rest by people known to the victim. You're five times more likely to be killed by someone you know than a random person.

 

You are right! I don't know you and should not have made the statement that I understand your feelings. I was more speeking tothe comment that a gun's only design is for killing.

This can be a very polarizing and subject.

I am not sure I agree that any percieved drop in murder rate in DC is due to the gun ban since the ban has been in place for 30+. Most of the decline in overal crime was due to a better economy. When it comes to my opinion on the DC murder rate. I rely on my nightly news cast not wikipedia.

 

I wanted to comment on Guns as being a platform for lauching a projectile not as a mechanism for killing.
New innovation in projectiles has led to an advancement in non-leathal use of guns.

Ruber, compressed foam, bean bags, electrodes, net, glue and even sonic waves. All are meant to disable your opponent most by administering some sort of non-leathal harm.

Trust me. You get hit by a rubber bullet, bean bag or electrodes lauched from the right paltform (a gun) and your willingness to continue what ever disturbance you are in the middle of will subside quickly.


Growing up my dad kept two guns loaded and ready for action. One was Colt .357 Python loaded standard ammo, the other was a colt .38 diamond back loaded with police issue non-leathat rubber ammo. He was ready to use a gun for defense but did not want to kill the sob that was stupid enough to break into our house.

 

I was speaking more to the fact that I'm not completely set one way or the other, and if I don't know my stance on the issue, no one else would. No worries.

Good point on the non-lethal uses for guns, I had overlooked those.

The figures are from the DC police and FBI, but I agree, the ban has had little affect one way or the other on the homicide rate.