2 high speed bike chases in 2 nights

And yet there was that little something that drove you back to work day after day after day... :wink:

 

Been retired five years now and have come to miss it. Truth is retirement only lasted three days. Don't do that very well.

Retirement...:yousuck:

 

BTW Stuke,

They wouldn't give me a gun. Thought I didn't need one:strong:

 

Randy, that is a bitchin car! Good on you for all those amazing things that you filled your career with. :rockon:

Now where is that red uniform and the horsey that all we americans think the cops use up there??? :tongue:

So in Canada there arent town cops right? Just provincial cops? Are they like our State Cops? My last long ride was largely north of the border and I barely saw any Police, then again, folks werent really speeding as much as down here. Maybe Canadians just arent in as much of a hurry? If they don't give you a gun, you must be handy with a nightstick, like this --> :vader:

 

hi, Carmine was here...
reading all your posts I learned many slang expressiond that I did not know. Sometimes it's a little difficult to follow your thoughts for us who speak english as a second language. But...everything right and I am sure all of us are respectuous of law and we have nothing against cops. They are people like other people. You can find wonderful guys and not as every where !
Lamps ! Carmine

 

I'm tippin' a Kokanee for ya Randy, hope you're having a great long weekend, me, I'm gone fishin'.

 

The crazy part of this particular is that he was chasing the perp into Squaw Valley Canyon. He had nowhere to go and the chase was over when he made the turn and crashed.
It seems that the adrenalin had peaked.

 

And according to the news, they found the bike in a parking lot, but are still looking for the operator.

 

Well. I hope they determine the perp. I hope the cop is OK. I hope he gets the opportunity to review his handling of this and maybe do things a bit different next time. I hope Mac and the rest of you don't find yourselves in this kind of precarious situation again.

I hope to go out for a ride today with Kingsley but it might rain. That being the case, I hope the beer is cold when I finish the chores the boss has for me.

And Stuke. I do have pix in that fancy Scarlet uniform. some day I may post it.

And I did ride horses at work. Something like 350 of them at the same time. Yup that was a bitchin car. Basically a Corvette in a Camaro skin. Never did find top end in it.

And Neverlos T. You down there may find our way of policing a bit different than yours. For instance. The RCMP are the Federal Police force here. Their origins date back to 1873, strangely enough to provide presence in our west as it was developing and to keep American Whiskey traders at bay. The enforce all laws, federal, provincial and municipal. They do about everything your FBI, DEA, Customs Border enforcement, State and City police, sheriffs services, the whole gammit. Not to say we don't have agencies such as sheriffs here as well. Their role is different than yours. The RCMP do Provincial Policing in all but two provinces who have their own Provincial Police. The also to town and city policing under contract to these municipalities where the towns and cities do not have their own police force. Most larger cities here do have their own police though.

Also here in BC anyways, Police, whether they are RCMP or City are Police Officers under the BC Police Act and have the authority everywhere in BC. I think the other Provinces are the same. The RCMP have authority everywhere except foreign embassies which of course are Sovereign territory of the country at hand.

There are a lot of great careers out there. Each of you should be justly proud of your own. Each of them have their own challenges and rewards. I have tremendous respect for many of them, nurses, teachers and most of all Firefighters. are at the top of my list.

Keep is safe folks.:bootyshake2:

 

I wasn't aware of this. It may be a reciprocal agreement between Ontario and your friends state. I know they have talked about this here in BC for some time but this type of thing is a state/provincial thing. Nothing to do with our respective Federal Governments.

I do know there has been a reciprocal agreement between BC and most States for collection of fines. However here anyways, that was rarely used up until I retired in "03. They may be more forceful in this now though.

And as far as riding a horse, the las time I rode one was in the picture I posted here on another thread.

Gotta go and check the weather see I I can go for a ride.

Later all.

 

Ok so here is an update on the whole story. The attempt to stop the bike was for speeding, nothing more nothing less. Obviously running from the cops is a felony so they kept chasing the rider. After the cop almost killed himself the police put up a road block at teh entrance to squaw valley and brought in some dogs. They never did catch the rider. Today I called the local chp office and filed a complaint. The captain said that the video tapes from all the cops are being reviewed. He also informed me that there is going to be an internal investigation as to exactly what happend that night. I was one of about 50 people who called to complain.

 

Good stuff Mac. Yes we have to chase speeders. But we also have to know when to give it up too. A complain against the Force for the purpose of making things better and safer for everyone is not a bad thing from my point of view. I have been subject to a few complaints against me in the past. One was substantiated the rest were not. Two even went to our External Review Commission which is a civilian based group in Ottawa, These cleared me. But WTH Life goes on.

Still no regrets.

 

Hey there Mac. How's it going? It has been almost two months since you filed that complaint. Have you heard anything back? If you do not want to post it, I wouldn't mind getting a PM to learn what ended up happening. If you are not comfortable with that, please PM me accordingly and I will drop it.

Tkx

 

Coming from a small town in northern Michigan, I would much rather have had the Canadian policing system. We had a city police post, state police post, undercover narcotics team, and a sheriff for a town of 10,000 people and less than a 1000 kids in high school. Falsifying charges and police reports, threats, and brutality were all fairly common and kids and anyone with out of state plates were pulled over immediately for no reason than who they were. I'm not saying I was ever a saint but being pulled over 3 times in one month for a "stolen car" that my name was on the registration never stopped them from pulling me out putting me in handcuffs and searching me and the car. A town with an almost non existent crime rate does not need over 25 police cars within the 1 square mile city limits and another 20 state boys roving on the outskirts at any given time. Heck my best friend and I got pulled over in a taxi and told to step out of the vehicle to be searched...the 2 girls with us and the cab driver were never even asked for an id.

I didn't learn to not fear the police until I lived in bigger cities for 5 years where they had much better things to do. I still don't like getting the occasional speeding ticket but at least now I'm finally not sweating bullets when a police car is behind me.

This is in no way meant to be an insult towards law enforcement just my personal experience growing up in a town with a lot of bad apples. I have been pulled over maybe 5 times in the last 11 years since moving away compared to over 100 times in the 2.5 years I lived there with a license. There are a few harleys but I couldn't imagine having a sportbike there.

 

While tempted to run...in alberta fairly sure i'd out run the cops putting people in danger only to come home to a very grumpy wife asking why the cop is out side waiting for me....
lets just say i'd be begging the cop to take me away lest my wife beat me...

Never understod police chances for anything but stolen cars...(since they don't know where he lives).

I mean why not just show up at the guys house....and it's a good threat or i may be tempted to run simply knowing i could...and once you start running you can't stop...I hate to say it but my only ticket(in my car) my first reaction was to the gas in my wagon...it was only a 1/2 second reaction but there it was..If the same happened on a bike and i knew he would not show up on my house...i'd be tempted.

As for cops, I don't mind them. some are asses but there mostly okay. But it does seem more about revenue and being a pain than saftey. I got some dumb tickets..oh you turned left where it says no left turn...my friends house it right there you want me to turn right and go down the one way? well it's still a ticket. .... um okay see you in court... sweet thanks for wasting a day and then not showing.

I honestly think they care more about number of tickets not the validity of them or any effect they have... photo radar is proof of this.

 

Molsan,

I bastardized the quote a bit.

I think everyone who is about to get pulled over has this though go through their head. But like you, the vast vast majority do the right thing and pull over. Good for you.

As far as your left turn example, this is similar to "STOP" signs. It is "No Left Turn". Simple. It is not "No left turn except for Molsan" Can you imagine the problem if there were exceptions to several traffic rules? I went through this explanation on another thread, I think it was the "out run the po po" thread.

The precessing of a ticket is expensive. I would be willing to bet it costs more to process that ticket is more than the revenue it collects. The enforcement and tickets are to attempt to change behavior to those who don't follow the rules which are very general for the safety of the public as a whole. Primarily it is for Collision Reduction, and as a good by product of that, Protection of life.

Now personally I have difficulty with Photo Radar. "Speed" is a contributing factor to a very substantial number of our collisions on BC highways. But that usually go hand in hand with another factor such as alcohol or road and weather conditions. In such a case, this does not mean the person is exceeding the posted speed limit. "Speeding" I don't believe is a factor to much at all. But if there were no speed limits, I am confidant that would change. Now Photo Intersection programs I fully support.

A police officer is constantly balancing and prioritizing his work load. There may be many reasons he does not show up for court. As is in any profession there are good and bad. Just like you yourself said in your post. The unfortunate part here is that in this higher profile occupation, the bad ones, or the simple errors made by the good ones, seems to end up being blown up, especially by the media, so that it has the appearance that most are bad.

So, if you get a ticket, and you feel it was issued wrongly, dispute it. Good luck to you and I mean that. If you don't like the way you were treated by the police, complain about it. But first, step back and with and look at things with an independent eye if you can. Most complaints against police, even those that are investigated by outside agencies, are unfounded.

Now as Carmine would say, "Lamps to you" I say cheers and ride safe and have a great day. I am off to scrub a new set of Michelins with a ride to Manning Parks

 

Sorry i did a bad job explaining, it was a divided road and i was turning from a drive way. 15 feet down was where the lights where....i could only turn left or go the wrong way down to road to the intersection... But he said I turned left so i was illigal...I started ranting in the post so stoped writing, was not about the orginal topic. the entire thing really pissed me off and i went to court with documents stating i was at his house and pictures and everything and the guy does a no show....i wanted him to show and make him look silly.

Also I don't mind cop's...and when ever you see one chances are your not happy to see them or something bad happened. I still do feel some police are more about revenue though. I would not mind photo radar on say a corner where there was a lot of crashes and it proved eefective....but going down a hill where the speed changes from 80-60 is just a cash grab.

I do think there needs to be more check stops and such as i fully suport police making the place safe.

Also will say other than this incident cops have been real nice. Just this guy had something to prove....still wish he showed.

Also part of my dislike of cop's may come from the fact the only time i see them is on the road as i don't run into them often...so when i do it seems like there not working on finding my stolen bycycle, or busting the drug dealer i see on the corner(more a courts failure to be able to do anything), or the grafiti and see them handing out tickets en mass to good people. I don't see the real cop work because i'm not leading that life...so probs to the cops..because i don't see that type of life where i live...
I also need to scub mine in a parking lot as i just got a new front as well.

 

Randy,
You guys(RCMP) didn't do such a good job on the bootleggers. we still have Ted Kennedy. come get him. LOL. bootleggin was where ol joe Kennedy made his money. we had to send elliot ness up there to help stop that crap. it also allowed the establishment of organized crime in the USA. not your fault, our government's Prohibition act was the culprit.
Police work is a nasty job and someone has to do it.
Thanks for your service.
As a paramedic , medical student and a doctor. I have seen and done a lot of the things you spoke of and more. Try telling a new couple they can never have children, or that they/their spouse/child has a terminal disease, and to get their affairs in order. I agree with you 100%. although i will say that we Humans do have an emotion it is called empathy. while we can't know exactly what each other feel about any given situation be it traumatic or not. we can recognize the feelings and serious consequences that these events can or may have. What you do doesn't make you special it just makes you who you are. I is my opinion, that life is just as hard for each of us as it is for any of us. We should all strive for correct empathy for our fellow man regardless of who he is or what he does. The good thing is, in our two countries we can choose our paths. Their are those who are less fortunate.
My brother is a LEO. There are rules of conduct for LEO's when they pull people over for traffic offences. My experience with these today is very different from what it was when I was younger and wilder. LEO's are much more polite to me now, than then. I think this affects how people view people in authority. I will say that I never have been pulled over for obeying the laws. It was usually for allegedly speeding, of which I was probably guilty(I admit nothing). Now I smile, take the ticket, give it to my attorney, he takes care of it. plea bargaining is great. I pay the fine,the judges adjudicates it. ( keeps it off my driving record, so no insurance increases). No fuss no muss. Ain't America great?

Anyway i wanted offer my opinion
I have travelled your country from skiing in BC to hiking New Foundland. It is a beautiful land.
so much land, so few people. I always felt safe. Ain't too crazy about those Quebecers, Smug Bastidges. my French is excellent(fluent) although most of them assumed that because I was US citizen I couldln't speak or Understand THEIR language. I got some great apologies and fabulous startled looks when they found out I could.
your VFR brother.:drinker:
thanks again for your years of service.

 

Molsan,

BTW. Didn't you spell your handle wrong? Should it not have been Molson? You would have an untold number of friends then. LOL

Stay safe